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<p>[The</a> Wall Street Journal Classroom Edition](<a href=“http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/03may/EDUC_moneytalks.htm]The”>http://www.wsjclassroomedition.com/archive/03may/EDUC_moneytalks.htm)</p>
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<p>[GQ</a> Ranks Duke America’s 2nd ‘Douchiest’ College](<a href=“http://playground.chronicleblogs.com/2009/08/24/gq-ranks-duke-americas-2nd-douchiest-college/]GQ”>http://playground.chronicleblogs.com/2009/08/24/gq-ranks-duke-americas-2nd-douchiest-college/)</p>
<p>I would love to hear something specifically wonderful about the college that the Duke critic attends. Why is it a secret? If he/she is happy with his/her choice, why not spread the word??? 
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<p>School pride is not a bad thing at all. </p>
<p>I don’t get the obsession with the constant Duke bashing either. An explanation would be interesting…;)</p>
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<p>You don’t know any of that to be fact. Your source, the New York Times chart, is an extract from the Revealed Preferences study and *is not cross-admit data<a href=“in%20particular,%20it%20is%20not%20a%20tabulation%20of%20the%20cross-admit%20data%20found%20in%20the%20RP%20study’s%20sample”>/i</a>. </p>
<p>The NY Times left Caltech off the chart, because it would have given away the unreliability of the predictions. Revealed Preferences study predicted that Caltech beats all schools but Harvard, while in reality MIT beats Caltech more than 3-to-1 and has done so for years. Revealed Preference claims to equalize for financial aid and other factors, but the students offered Caltech’s top scholarships also are lost to MIT. Of course, Caltech beating any of the other top 5 schools is also suspect. </p>
<p>Revealed Preference also predicted that Yale beats MIT among science and engineering students. Good luck selling that.</p>
<p>bluedog’s statistics seem to be about correct. It is true that most people who turn down HYPMS for Duke are on full-rides. However, you’ll still run across that rare anecdotal student who turned them down for other reasons. This doesn’t mean that Duke is any better, or even at the same level as, HYPMS, but that’s what’s great–Duke’s able to pull, even if only occasionally, students who could have gone anywhere in the world.</p>
<p>hookem168, I’m sorry…I’ve kept quiet about your condescension for all of last spring. When you talk about Duke, it is more convincing and informative when you talk about it with a balanced attitude. If someone criticizes a certain facet of Duke, then counter it with logic, not with personal insults. There’s no need to put down other schools, even if others do. You’re feeding the ■■■■■…and in doing so, you’re reflecting poorly on Duke. There’s no need to make Duke sound any better or any worse than it actually is. Trust me, there’s plenty to be proud of here. :)</p>
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<p>So the OP basically lied about turning down HYP:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/duke-2013/701767-i-chose-duke-over.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/duke-2013/701767-i-chose-duke-over.html</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/682227-yale-admissions-committee.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/yale-university/682227-yale-admissions-committee.html</a></p>
<p>Interesting guy (not) - why do you hate Duke so much? You don’t even go here. Get a life.</p>
<p>Sure, most people accept HYP over Duke. And most people accept Duke over NW, UChicago, Georgetown etc.</p>
<p>So what? If you truly did get accepted by HYP, did you go around to all the other kids in your class saying “Ha, ha - I got accepted at X and you didn’t?” Maybe you come to this board because people at your own school don’t want to be around you?</p>
<p>Well, my father went to one of the HYP schools and the head of the corporation he works for went to Duke. With your total lack of social skills I am not predicting a great future for you regardless of where you go to college.</p>
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<p>HYP and Duke are in different leagues, literally and metaphorically. But Duke, NW, UChicago, Georgetown, etc. are all peer institutions. I honestly don’t understand why Dukies always try to elevate their school above their peers. That’s why claims such as those made by the OP are calling out to be challenged and I am more than happy to do so. In this thread alone, we hear that “at Duke we have more class,” Duke is (except for HYPSM) the “next best option” and the “number 6 feeder school in the nation,” etc. Do you seriously think that Duke is better than any of the non-HYP ivies (let alone Caltech) when the ivies are more selective (lower acceptance rates and higher yield rates) and arguably more prestigious?</p>
<p>Interesting guy, how can you compare Duke to Caltech? One is an all round university and one is for techies. I doubt the same people would be interested in both.</p>
<p>We had 5 kids in my high school’s graduating class accepted to Dartmouth last year. Only one of those 5 was accepted at Duke, and he’s at Duke.</p>
<p>We had 4 accepted to Harvard - 3 of those 4 were athletic or legacy admits with respectable but lower stats than the Dartmouth/Duke admits. The 4th student was tops in every way.</p>
<p>Why won’t you say where you are in school?</p>
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<p>You’re right. There probably aren’t a lot of cross-admits between Duke and Caltech. But Caltech does win the cross-admit battle with Duke. Quite handily.</p>
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<p>What are you trying to say? That Duke is more selective than Dartmouth. If so, I disagree. Regardless of your anecdotal evidence.</p>
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<p>Again, what is your point? Most Duke athletic admits (especially in the revenue sports) could not get into my state school without regards to their athletic ability.</p>
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<p>First, why is this relevant? Second, I don’t want my views to represent my university.</p>
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<p>No. But I admit I did laugh at the OP or at least his claims.</p>
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<p>Is it safe to assume that you did not get into your father’s alma mater as a legacy? Is this your way of rationalizing your choice of school?</p>
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<p>You can bet my future won’t involve working for a Dukie. That’s unacceptable.</p>
<p>There’s just enough truth in what IG says to make this a thread worth following. So I decided to weigh in. I agree that Duke’s perceived peers are those that he mentioned. And I do agree that Duke, like most of those peer institutions, strives to elevate itself above its peers and put itself alongside the perceived true elite - HYPSM. And at least one point IG makes references something quite true - Duke’s treatment in GQ was very funny, I circulated it to lots of people when it first came out.</p>
<p>When I am asked, “Why Duke?”, I always give the same, truthful answer. Among acceptances from varying excellent schools mentioned previously (including Ivy), Duke was the only school at which it was difficult to find students who were unhappy there. When you factor in that all its peers, and “superiors”, provide excellent academics, opportunity, reputation, and education, it came down to happiness. I am sure it is possible to find disenchanted Duke students, but our experience was we didn’t find them. It seemed to us that the only people who express disenchantment with or resentment of Duke, and Dukies, are people who didn’t or don’t go there. </p>
<p>For whatever reason, the way Duke sees itself and the way non-Dukies see Duke are really, really different. Where Dukies see pride, non-Dukies see arrogance. My observations and experiences say that IG’s views are typical of the way non-Dukies see Duke.</p>
<p>I think part of hookem’s issue is that he is trying to make himself feel better after receiving so many rejections.</p>
<p>In any case, I go to Duke, and obviously think it’s a great school, but let’s be realistic, there is no “D” in HYPS for a reason. For those of us Dukies suffering from the poster’s inferiority complex, I offer some advice; get over it.</p>
<p>Interesting guy, I purposely didn’t apply to my father’s school because I have lived in that miserable town all my life, so you can guess which one it is.</p>
<p>whats the big deal? hyps are good colleges. so are mit and caltech. duke is great too. no reason to bash any of the colleges.</p>
<p>and btw interesting guy… what is the big deal? honestly, why are you bashing duke so much? and dont say i cant handle the truth because i can. there must be a reason why. i wouldnt go to the mit thread and start bashing them without a reason.</p>
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<p>I completely agree. I love this place. But I know that either you love it or you hate it. 
It IS extremely hard to find someone within Duke who hates it. But go down the street and you’ll find a bunch at UNC because of perceived arrogance which is actually simply pride.</p>
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<p>laxtaxi and eatsalot said it best. I have yet to meet a single student unhappy with Duke, and that means a lot to me.</p>
<p>It seems to me most of you (except Dathan) have problem with interestingguy but not hookem168, who seemed to be making up stuff. While interestingguy clearly has bias against Duke, I actually find hookem168’s behavior more repulsive.</p>
<p>I disagree, in this entire thread (unless I counted wrong which given my math skills I wouldn’t be surprised) Hookem posted 5 times, once being a bump, the OP being mostly opinions, once being half sarcasm, the the other half anecdotes, the two left being mostly anecdotal. I could hardly say that hookem “seemed to be making up stuff” considering that most of his posts were opinions and anecdotes. Unless you have personal knowledge? </p>
<p>I personally see nothing wrong with that except the sarcasm could be toned down a little. But given that Hookem is a Duke student, his pro-Duke bias is understandable and forgivable since this is the Duke boards and he goes to Duke. However, IG is neither a Duke student nor has any connections to Duke nor is he interested in finding out about Duke. While it’s ok to given opinions criticizing an institution for the sake of being balanced, his consistently negative (and often off-topic) posts on the Duke board (and the WashU board)-having connections to neither institutions-fits the commonly accepted definition of a ■■■■■. </p>
<p>Thus most people’s reactions to IG will be decidedly negative as compared to Hookem. </p>
<p>As for finding someone’s behavior repulsive, let me just note that no one is forcing you to read this thread or Hookem’s posts. I personally use my ignore list for those whose posts I pointless to read. You could do the same with Hookem if you find his posts so repulsive (no offense Hookem).</p>