AP vs. IB, which is more hardcore?

<p>i have a major q does any one of all of u ib ppl get graded on their report cards on a scale of 1-7????</p>

<p>"That one lab is about as many hours as you'll spend in the lab the whole year. The AP Chem class is very intense..."
You do know that IB Chem HL requires over 60 hours of labs, right? Most of these labs we have to plan ourselves. </p>

<p>"Impossible...IBO does not allow anyone to take more than 4 HL's."
Not true. In May, I'm taking exams in English HL, History HL, Biology HL, Chemistry HL, and Physics HL.</p>

<p>That being said, the rigor of individual IB classes is comparable to AP classes. For example, my physics class is composed of Physics C AP and Physics IB HL students. However, IB is harder once you factor in the IBO requirements: Extended Essay, Theory of Knowledge Essay/Oral, English Oral Presentations, foreign language Oral Presentations, World Literature Papers, math Portfolios, Group 4 projects, Internal Assessments, History Guided Coursework, Community Service (creativity, action, and service), etc. Two years of an IB science DO NOT equal an AP science class (although many schools have double block AP sciences = two years IB science). I took the AP exams in bio, chem, and physics B last year and got 5's on all of them. HL science exams go into more depth than AP science exams (Options). </p>

<p>As far as how colleges look at IB/AP, it depends on the college. Caltech, for example, considers them equal. Duke, however, prefers IB students. :)</p>

<p>Warblersrule86, I was just using the number previously mentioned which was 30 hours for IB. Even if it is 60 hours, I would wager that I still spend more time in the lab than that. But, this shouldn't be a competition. Even if IB is better/more hardcore, all my school offers is AP, so I'm doing the best I can. :)</p>

<p>30 hours refers to SL; 60 hours refers to HL. Like I said previously, IB and AP classes aren't that different; the programs are. IB is better ONLY IF it is available; after all, only about 500 high schools in the world offer it. All colleges want to see, therefore, is that you took the most rigorous classes AVAILABLE. :)</p>

<p>To answer your question, elodie, I'm graded on an A-F scale. Our IB German exchange student was graded on that 1-7 scale, though.</p>

<p>When I said I take 8 classes that are 90 minutes, I also said that I'm on block schedule.
This means I take 4 classes one day and 4 the next. We alternate each day. A-Day and B-Day, A-Day consisting of Blocks 1, 3, 5, 7 and B-day consisting of Blocks 2, 4, 6, and 8.</p>

<p>The 8 IB classes include TOK.
At my school TOK is probably the easiest IB class because first semester junior year, it is just study hall. (do hw from other classes) Then, you learn some stuff second semester.
Senior year, first semester you finish the course, second semester is study hall.</p>

<p>"That one lab is about as many hours as you'll spend in the lab the whole year. The AP Chem class is very intense..."
In IB, it's called Group IV. It's a major lab that all science students have to complete. The thing is... it's not done in class time (we got 1 period for discussion with our groups to choose a topic). Which means you have to come before school and after school and work on weekends in the lab to do it. Then you have to present it. Add that to the 30/60 hours of lab work. Fun times.
So yeah, IB and AP classes are pretty comparable. The IB program, however, is much more comprehensive.
"Even if IB is better/more hardcore, all my school offers is AP, so I'm doing the best I can"
:) Very impressed that you're taking the hardest that your school offers. I know so many that don't... the world needs more motivation (whether it be IB or AP).</p>

<p>They don't let us in the school on weekends or even after school. School is out at 3:30ish and the doors are locked at 3:40. Too many vandalisms, etc. So, we have to do it in class, although we can come during study halls, lunch, early dismisals, etc. Chem is a bear, isn't it? I'm the only junior in it, so I actually have to do well because colleges will see my grade! Same with my other classes, only English III and US History are traditionally Junior classes, the other three are senior classes so that's who I hang out with. Senioritis is setting in for them, but not fo' me. :O</p>

<p>at my school, IB is harder. It's made sort of obvious when people drop out of IB and then join AP classes.</p>

<p>Like someone said before, the good thing about the AP program is that you have to be motivated. IB is like a contract at most schools and you are pretty much going for the diploma. With AP you choose what classes you want, you choose where you want your extracurricular hours to go, you choose what you want to do outside of school. At my school, the IB teachers are much easier and the AP teachers are almost always better. I was the last year not to be offered the IB program, but I had a number of the IB teachers my freshman/sophomore year. I am a little bit bias though because there was a recruiting war for the class below me and the IB coordinator was really rude to AP students and the AP program. Completely unprofessional.</p>

<p>I'm looking forward to seeing the score results of the first batch of IB students.</p>

<p>michael_pham- You have TOK junior AND senior year? My school only offers it senior year.
Other IB'ers- When do you take TOK? Junior and/or senior year?</p>

<p>Our IB counselor is also the AP counselor, so it's almost impossible to switch out of IB (she won't let us). If you're really struggling (and lucky), you might be able to switch to Certificate- but not AP. :)</p>

<p>warblersrule86- We only take TOK in senior year too, probably because there are a ton of people who drop out in between 11 and 12. Out of a school of 2000 people, there are 200 people in IB, and probably 50-75 per year in the full diploma.</p>

<p>cowgirl, thats just like my school, we started with like 120 in freshman myp ib and now have a senior diploma class of 50something. TOK for us is 3 quarters senior year. treekid, you are SO right. </p>

<p>IB is way more hardcore. like four kinds of way more hardcore. i dont have any original reasons, since this is a comprehensive 3-page discussion, but i don't think it's even worth debating.</p>

<p>TOK is junior/senior for us and is very weird. Starting second semester it works like this</p>

<p>tuesday - skip french/spanish for TOK
friday - skip science for TOK
tuesday - skip history for TOK
friday - skip english for TOK</p>

<p>repeat...</p>

<p>I'm a senior in ib, and i have been working my butt off for ib, aps are a piece of cake to me to tell u the truth. Their exams are horrendous if u even remotely study. Got a 5 in history with no studying, and got a 4 in bio same way. IB is massively difficult</p>

<p>i really dont mind ib tht much anymore, i enjoy the rush now.... only thing tht ****es me off is tht i have a couple of classes all by my self.. its hoirrible i get bored out of saneity,
and for the third time im asking this one petty little q..ON A SCALE OF 1-7, WHAT GRADES SHOULD I BE GETTING ON MY REPORT CARD INORDER TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADDMISSION TO IVYS AND SUCH.. IM SO LOST AND NO ONE CAN HELP SNIFF..SNIFF...</p>

<p>o we also do tok for the 2 years but we only take it twice a week for like 50 min.</p>

<p>michel_pham what school r u from the system sounds extremly familiar</p>

<p>Harding High School in North Carolina</p>

<p>I don't think we have any IB classes that have just 1 student.</p>

<p>We are graded on A-F scale, so I guess 6-7 = A, 4-5 = B, 2-3 = C, 1 = D/F
So I would think you'd need 6/7's.</p>

<p>ya im getting 6s and 7s and i was worried cuz i thought i needed all 7s...which seems so not tangible as i already work my but off</p>

<p>elodie- Selective colleges want 6's and 7's on the IB exams, so I suppose the same would hold true for grades...But I'm not 100% sure. </p>

<p>michael_pham- You're not that far away from my high school, Myers Park. :)</p>