<p>I happen to know a girl who just heard back from Stanford and Yale, both REA. </p>
<p>I am not going to report her - that's a violation of her personal rights - but what are the consequences if one or both of the colleges discover her infidelity?</p>
<p>WHOA i thought those colleges would've caught that by now...just out of curiosity what were her decision results?</p>
<p>They're going to find out, and she's going to be really, seriously screwed.</p>
<p>yeah they usually do find out, and then she won't have anywhere to go because she violated her integrity/ promise with the schools...
Where did she get in/ deferjected??</p>
<p>She got into both. :/</p>
<p>If I were in your position I'd be pretty upset. If I had been rejected/deferred at one of the same schools she applied to I would probably report her. There's a good chance she took your spot. If you really wanted, you could report anonymously.</p>
<p>Wow... contract violation much? I liked Stanford too... :(</p>
<p>I'm not going to report. I believe in karma.</p>
<p>It's not a violation of her personal rights. The only right that is being violated is the schools' right to accept only students that comply with its SCEA rules. It is clearly wrong to let this happen -- rules were put up to be followed. Now, if she wasn't aware of the SCEA requirements for both schools (I don't see how she could not have been) and it was purely by accident, I wouldn't report her. If she was, I would report it. But in both cases, what she is doing is clearly wrong and against the rules. :P</p>
<p>Sorry -- ethical debater here. :D</p>
<p>I'm just not the kind of person to completely destroy someone like that - I feel they should bring it upon themselves. </p>
<p>How would Yale or Stanford find out, other than someone reporting?</p>
<p>Ideally, all the colleges with binding ED's and SCEA's and EAs apparently share their lists and cross-checks them for same name, DOB, social security, etc to make sure EA applicants only apply to other EA schools, SCEA applicant to only that SCEA school, etc. It looks like the person slipped through the cracks. :/</p>
<p>Now that she's gotten an acceptance from both schools, I sort of doubt that they will catch her anytime soon (since they haven't caught her already).</p>
<p>I'm going to call both Yale and Stanford tomorrow and ask them if they check before hand, and even after decisions are made. I'm also going to ask what the official consequence for her actions.</p>
<p>That's probably a good call to make. </p>
<p>Yup, I know, I'd probably feel like a snitch too if I had to make a decision like yours. I'd feel terrible :( . But unless she wasn't aware of the limitations of SCEA (And I don't know how she couldn't have been, it's right there with the signature part), for all we know, she might have been taking advantage of the system. And that's not fair to the other applicant who lost a seat because of her. :/</p>
<p>What can you do, you know? I can't ruin someone's life (okay, admit it, CCers, college our life) with a quick phone call. I just hope either Stanford or Yale catch her.</p>
<p>I wouldn't do it. It was a ******bag move on her part, but I don't think it warrants ruining her chance to go to a dream college. -shrugs-</p>
<p>The consequences are far reaching and not just for her.</p>
<p>I have a hard time believing that her school's college counselors would jeopardize their relationship with both Yale and Stanford and allow that to happen. It would ruin their credibility and could hurt the chances of any future applicants from that school to either Yale or Stanford.</p>
<p>Transcripts, letters of recommendation from the college counselors and updated grade reports would all have to be generated by the counseling office. They keep lists of where they send them and they ALL know about Yale and Stanford being SCEA unless they have been living in a cave since 2004.</p>
<p>I think your friend is lying to you. At the very least I would address this with the college counselors because if somehow it did slip through the cracks, they would want to know to protect the school, themselves and all future applicants from potential action and/or repercussions.</p>
<p>eadad, thanks for your concern. I'm afraid our guidance counselors might have been living in a cave since 2004. I know Yale is eventually going to set up a website where current students can see who was admitted (I talked to my friend at Yale last night, and she mentioned something about it), so I'm just going to wait until the site is live so my friend can check to see if she's lying or not.</p>
<p>Also, I called Yale's office, and they said the colleges usually cross reference their REA admitted pool in June. Which doesn't make any sense to me, but whatever.</p>
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<p>I'd be willing to wager differently: the average public school guidance counselor (for whom college admissions is just small part of their duties) is apt not to know what "SCEA" is, let alone that only Stanford and Yale practice it. If this applicant is at a large public school in any but an exclusive suburb (where there is heightened awareness of application practices at competitive colleges), she is likely to go unnoticed.</p>
<p>However, it is a good question why the Common App allows this to happen - assuming that was the method she chose to use. If she did, she would be an easy "find" by simple database search.</p>
<p>Personally, I would encourage her exposure if you are sure of your facts. Her "personal rights" do not include a right to cheat, and you (and everyone else) are part of the system by which she would "bring this upon herself".</p>
<p>It would be easy to circumvent the online common app with the paper version, no?</p>
<p>And yes, we are a large (2400+) public school in the middle of nowhere important. Most of our kids go to community college or very low level colleges.</p>
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<p>Certainly. But I do wonder if the Common App site has programming to prevent this.</p>