Applying to General Studies at Columbia from a CC with close to an associates degree

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<p>That's my point, thanks sphere718, for the info</p>

<p>It appears that skyraylor is dead wrong atleast about GS, but I'm not going to list all the detailed info, to prove the Columbia does have shortcoming's in certain depts, this isn't meant to be a flaming post but skyraylor seems to talk in unison (almost snobbish) by saying I'm not good enough and that's the general consensus on this forum (He thinks he can speak for everyone). I never said Columbia was bad
otherwise I wouldn't of think of applying there, but it isn't the only good top school along with the rest of the ivy leagues. For example one could give Columbia's mba program and public admin between #20-#30 in the nation and others can give it #8 (mba) and say the rating is overrated.</p>

<p>But my point is to emphasize that sphere718 is right, and I appreciate his information about GS, which does factor in whether or not I should go atleast for undergraduate education. I am not referring to Columbia College, in fact Columbia advises applicants like me not to even apply there, because it will be heavily weighted against people, who are not coming straight out of hs. Gs, however has the same faculty,degree programs, students most of the time, as columbia college.</p>

<p>Sphere718, what else do you know about the student body of GS?, is it heavily weighted with older people? I've heard people as young as 17 are in GS.</p>

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<p>"For example one could give Columbia's mba program and public admin between #20-#30 in the nation and others can give it #8 (mba) and say the rating is overrated."</p>

<p>strange that you think that, most consider the US news ranking of #8 to be underrating the business school, the wall street journal and the economist both put columbia's mba closer to the top, average starting salaries (which most at business school care about) are comparable to the very best schools, perhaps you could argue that wharton, hbs and stanford have better business programs but #8 is largely seen as underrating it, and you think 20-30 is where it should be, your pattern of posts and this last one seem delusional.</p>

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<p>to add to what Skraylor said, I wouldn't be surprised if you were not accepted to NYU as well. If you are applying to Stern, I know first hand how competitive transfers can be, there are students from top business schools that transfer to NYU for the New York City experience. Good Luck.</p>

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<p>lol this has to be elaborate flame.</p>

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<p>First, I presume skyralor and Uri are in the undergraduate programs at Columbia. </p>

<p>Just because its hard to get into ivy league undergrad doesn't necessarily mean that proves a person is of worth or virtue. </p>

<p>Here's an interesting article from MSN, and ya, Columbia was at my school last month recruiting students and asking questions, but at that time I didn't know about gs.</p>

<p>Right now, all over the country, high school students and their parents are scheming to get into the Ivy League. Young people are groomed practically from birth to be attractive to mysterious and all-powerful admissions committees guarding the gates of the eight universities that comprise the Ivies. Articles and books are written on packaging strategies, which classes and activities are "in" and which are now "pass</p>

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<p>^no one's saying the Ivy institutions are flawless or inspire awe in every field, neither does anyone say they are peerless (stanford, caltech, mit to name a few), but they do provide world class educations, and are all among the best institutions in the world, God only knows why this thread has turned into an ivy league thread, columbia's ivy status has little to do with the education it offers. Nycollegelooker, you claim that you have no intention of flaming, but you're bringing irrelevant content and criticism to this thread. what did this thread have to do with ivy supremacy!? you don't know what it's like to be at one of these institutions, so if we're subjective, then you're probably ignorant, it seems from your posts that you don't, in fact, seem to know much about them. please take your bitterness elsewhere.</p>

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<p>With regards, that was the point to answer skaraylor's points, I know about the institutions, have a family member who went there also. It was for ranking of the depts, yes columbia is one of the best but it is fair to rank certain deps #20-30 in the nation as pointed out by the comment at all.</p>

<p>I have a question- are you undergrad , and what do you think about Columbia GS, the student body,etc?</p>

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<p>columbia business is overrated.... wow first first time I ever heard of that one..</p>

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<p>I believe former students have said it was a bit overrated when someone ranked it #8 in the nation.</p>

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<p>Really? You're seriously going to use an article on msn to try and portray me in some elitist light? Really? Wow. Your stupidity is beyond my comprehension.<br>
1) Who do you think reads msn news? Answer: Not people in/going to ivy league institutions. If it was in the NYT or WSJ, then we might have a different story.
2) It was written by Donald</a> Asher
You really need to learn when you are just digging yourself a deeper grave by throwing out idiotic and puerile arguments.</p>

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In my regards to undergraduate programs- I would love to see uri and skraylor come out of Columbia Grad and evaluate them. Sure skraylor says OH were all that good, if - I presume that it was said of them that they are in columbia undergrad based on forums. Columbia's strengths anyways are in the graduate programs.

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<p>this makes no sense. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.</p>

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The fact that Columbia, harvard doesn't care or give preference if you went to their undergraduate school when grad admissions come, and yes not every dept is ranked #1. I need to state facts on this forum, btw skyralor and uri,

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<p>same comment as above</p>

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what are you majoring in Columbia, just out of curiousity.

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<p>chemical engineering</p>

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Just because you worked hard doesn't mean that your acceptance to Columbia gives you an advantage especially since its undergrad. Even one of the ivy league schools admits as this article says that the top professors are teaching in grad classes.

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<p>i again have no clue what the first sentence is supposed to mean. are you trying to insinuate that if we both applied to the same job we would have an equal shot at getting it?</p>

<p>as for the second part tho, you admit that you need to post facts...well, ok, post them then. why not look up who the "top professors" are and check and see if they do undergrad classes. for example, jeffery sachs and sunil gulati. james schamus or george steel. the list goes on.</p>

<p>now, i hope you can see that you havent actually made any headway in winning this argument, you're only losing ground. i advise you to stop before you make a complete [donkey] out of yourself.</p>

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<p>I'm not even going to get into all the issues with the original poster's comments. However, one comment alone shows just how ill prepared he/she is for a Columbia education:</p>

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I won't be applying to Columbia, because it is a bit bureaucratic to apply, the $25 test last 3 hours, and I would have not so sure about gpa.

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<p>You won't even try the test because it's three hours long and costs $25 (which is less than the SAT, by the way). That's more than a little pathetic. If you can't muster up the attention span for a three hour test, how do you expect to function at an Ivy League institution?</p>

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<p>If there is any potential applicant or interested party out there who is interested in an insider's opinion or response to the above article (or to nycollegelooker's opinions), please post here and I'll be happy to pen one. I don't want to take half an hour to think through a detailed reply just for my own benefit, but i'm happy to do so for someone else's benefit.</p>

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<p>I would like an insider's response!</p>

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<p>...ok, I just can't resist one key point...

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A person who went to a community college is not in anyway dumber or less smart, than a person in a 4 year college, it depends on the student.

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Just because its hard to get into ivy league undergrad doesn't necessarily mean that proves a person is of worth or virtue.

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This is a total strawman, an exaggeration of an argument that nobody makes or is making. The fact that you feel it necessary to argue against that point tends to indicate to me that there's a little more emotional gut-reaction going on here than you'd like to admit.</p>

<p>The fact of the matter is that, for students who have options - the students with the best grades, best scores, best pursuit of their passions, best backgrounds - who get into top schools, the vast majority of those students tend to choose to go to those top schools. Some don't - either for financial reasons or for proximity to where they grew up, or even for a particular program that they want to be a part of. But such a trend is useful information because overall it is clear that that is where those students want to go.</p>

<p>While it is certainly true that any particular community college student may <a href="statistically%20speaking">/B</a> be smarter than any particular (say) Columbia student, it is rather statistically unlikely. The **average student at Columbia, I feel quite confident in saying, would do better at any test of cognitive ability than the average student at CCNY. What's my point? Attending a school like Columbia puts you among many other students who are among the smartest, hardest-working, most motivated, and most passionate about academic subjects that you can find anywhere. That atmosphere is compelling because it motivates you to rise to that level of achievement, to push yourself, to discover new abilities and reserves of energy that you didn't know you had.</p>

<p>Getting into a top school may not say much about your "worth as a person", whatever that means. But it does tend to strongly indicate your "worth as a student", i.e. your potential to absorb academic subject matter, work hard to meet academic goals, demonstrate passionate interest or involvement in a variety of subjects, and survive in an extremely challenging learning environment. Whether that is a desirable characteristic for a person to have is left up to each of you to decide.</p>

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I would like an insider's response!

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alright, look back tomorrow - it's shopping time for the moment =)</p>

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The average student at Columbia, I feel quite confident in saying, would do better at any test of cognitive ability than the average student at CCNY.

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<p>Denzera - Coming from a student who was accepted to Columbia but goes to CCNY for financial reasons (full scholarship + stipend), I have to completely agree. I know many students from CCNY as well as students from Columbia, and while CCNY has some extremely bright students, who in my opinion would excel profusely even at Columbia, the average Columbia student would (and I say this figuratively) "tear em a new one" as far as analytical and linguistics are concerned. Quantitatively speaking. City is NYC's top public school, but the education simply isn't up to par. Regardless of how well you may do at CCNY, Columbia students while may not necessarily be much brighter, are far better educated.</p>

<p>Ability doesn't have much to do with the whole puzzle. It is just that the better educated have the ability to analyze things far better and therefore seem to have an edge in the decision making process, which is probably the biggest contributing factor to success.</p>

<p>I'm not bashing CCNY in any way, shape or form. I actually love CCNY, it is so culturally diverse and the campus is quite beautiful and charming. It offers a great value in education, as well as superb social opportunity. It is just fact that the education is not up to par with a top school like Columbia. </p>

<p>Which is why I replied to the thread in the first place, by no means did I mean to offend NYCOLLEGELOOKER1, but he is not taking any of this into consideration. Maybe I analyzed his posts wrong, but it seems as though he is taking a bitter approach to CU, and denies the educational value. He seems convinced that CU education is the same as all other schools. At the undergrad level rankings does not hold as much weight, but to deny the Executive MBA program's reputation, and call it overrated? If Columbia is so overrated how do you justify all the Nobel Prize winners, and other giant social figures who associate their education with CU?</p>

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<p>First, I have considered taking the test, but I have reasons not to go to Columbia (not that I feel it is too challenging or that I am not good enough for it),</p>

<p>I feel that maybe, it maybe be better for me to go there for graduate school and just get my undergrad over with it quickly. There are several reasons why a person may not want to Columbia, they may want to save money for grad school, or they might be willing to do all the work and so on, but maybe they feel that they might want to try Columbia later on.</p>

<p>For example, a person who can afford to go to Columbia but not afford to dorm there, or doesn't want to dorm there and can't afford manhattan for the moment and lives nearly 2 hours away from Columbia might want to try Columbia at another time. </p>

<p>As for the test $25, is not the issue , but if it takes 1 year of preparation for the test, and I still am not sure that I really want to go Columbia at the moment, it comes to mind. I've sat for hours in other tests.</p>

<p>The last point: If Columbia wasnt' better than any other school, I wouldn't have started this forum. It is better than most schools, but there are other Tier 1 schools to look at in their respective programs, and Columbia might be a better choice for grad students for some students.</p>

<p>To answer Skyraylor comments, Donald asher does WRITE for the WSJ, not that it I am validating Skyraylor comments regarding his thinking that he or anyone else who doesn't write for the top newspapers isn't too be trusted, and besides his books have gotten positive reviews.</p>

<p>1) Who do you think reads msn news? Answer: Not people in/going to ivy league institutions. If it was in the NYT or WSJ, then we might have a different story.</p>

<p>"Once again, Skyralor tries to talk to unison and speak for everyone who attends the ivy league as if its snobbish", this time he didn't even get the facts right.</p>

<p>It is true, a lot of the top professors may teach undergrad but the general consensus is that graduate schools are the prime Ivy league factors and programs, MBA school, public admin, law,med school, etc are all graduate schools in the universities. Some of them may be overrated but I never said it wasn't in the top tier.</p>

<p>Once again, please ignore flaming posts, are people who talk as if they are in unison with someone else.</p>

<p>Uri, why did you go to CCNY? Columbia couldn't offer you financial aid with its large endowment,grants,etc? Did you feel you weren't ready for it? What attracted you to CCNY ( I don't intend to go there), that really made you turn down Columbia. Since both are close by I presume its not about the neighboorhood or the commute or living in manhattan/dorming.</p>

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Donald asher does WRITE for the WSJ, not that it I am validating Skyraylor comments regarding his thinking that he or anyone else who doesn't write for the top newspapers isn't too be trusted, and besides his books have gotten positive reviews.

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<p>I know i should let this die but....</p>

<p>Once again you can only pick out one little part of my whole post? I lol at that.</p>

<p>However, was that article itself in the WSJ? I'm too lazy to look but I doubt it. I dont think any respectable news organization would bother with that kind of dribble. Also, yes his books have gotten positive reviews. What do you expect when they are aimed at such a large audience (people who cant get into good schools)? Some people are bound to like them.</p>

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Uri, why did you go to CCNY? Columbia couldn't offer you financial aid with its large endowment,grants,etc? Did you feel you weren't ready for it? What attracted you to CCNY ( I don't intend to go there), that really made you turn down Columbia. Since both are close by I presume its not about the neighboorhood or the commute or living in manhattan/dorming.

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<p>Columbia did offer aid, quite a bit of aid I might add. I chose CCNY cause with my scholarships I get all expenses paid and end up with about $10,000 annually in cash. But when I think about it now I really should of went to Columbia. I should of listened to everyone else. One of the best things about CU is the networking opportunities which are non existent at CCNY. I should of chose CU regardless of the scholarship as it would of provided me better opportunity to meet wealthy folk. It's not about what you know, it's about who you know, and Columbia graduates know the people to know, ya know?</p>

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It is true, a lot of the top professors may teach undergrad but the general consensus is that graduate schools are the prime Ivy league factors and programs, MBA school, public admin, law,med school, etc are all graduate schools in the universities. Some of them may be overrated but I never said it wasn't in the top tier.

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<p>Wrong. The graduate school's are only good because of the research being done by the professors and doctoral students. You would actually find that many of those professors teach undergraduate courses as well. Which is why top schools programs are more valuable. Name means much more than many want to believe. It is generally easier to get into a top MBA program if you had a 3.5 at any ivy over a 3.5 at a state school.</p>