Are Americans hypocrites?

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Well I guess you and the author of Freakonomics didn't take that into account either, did you?

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<p>Well seeing that you didn't read the book, and don't know a thing about what it says, I guess you're arguing with yourself now.... oh, and giving yourself props for saying things you know nothing about!!</p>

<p>Oh, and as far as being called Cleo or whatever above.... the chances are much greater for a child who grew up unwanted to be a criminal than for a child born into a family prepared and ready for him/her. So I was just playing the statistical possibilities.</p>

<p>Just read the book, as you planned to do (stating it above), and you'll read some very convincing arguments from someone who has actually looked into this stuff quite sharply.</p>

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<p>When you self-declare that you just 'owned' someone, it passes the border of being cocky into pathetic.</p>

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<p>311Griff: Oh, by the way, I'm going to refer to you as Mr. Death from now on.</p>

<p>"Well seeing that you didn't read the book, and don't know a thing about what it says, I guess you're arguing with yourself now.... oh, and giving yourself props for saying things you know nothing about!!"</p>

<p>I was merely using the synopsis of the book's major argument that you provided in an earlier post. Maybe it is you that hasn't read the book and knows nothing about it.</p>

<p>"Oh, and as far as being called Cleo or whatever above.... the chances are much greater for a child who grew up unwanted to be a criminal than for a child born into a family prepared and ready for him/her. So I was just playing the statistical possibilities."</p>

<p>Playing the statistical possibilities! How can you say that and still call yourself human? You're playing with life and death based on STATISTICS!!!!</p>

<p>I don't care if poor people and criminals are more likely to bear criminal children. The fact of the matter is that there will always be that chance of a child that grows up to be an important member of society. There are so many prodigies out there that come from poor families and families with criminal backgrounds. Look at Oprah who came from extreme poverty and crime.</p>

<p>"Just read the book, as you planned to do (stating it above), and you'll read some very convincing arguments from someone who has actually looked into this stuff quite sharply."</p>

<p>Oh, I will definately read the book but I highly doubt that it will convince me of anything.</p>

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<p>Jesminder:
"When you self-declare that you just 'owned' someone, it passes the border of being cocky into pathetic."</p>

<p>You're right. My comment was kind of arrogant and uncalled for.</p>

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<p>Godwin's Law
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches.</p>

<p>Schwartz's Addendum
As an online discussion grows longer, the probability that it will end up being about either abortion or evolution approaches.</p>

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<p>UCLAri:
HAHAHAHA! Very funny!</p>

<p>Both are pretty funny but I don't agree that anyone is going to be compared to Hitler or the Nazis. Or that this discussion is going to end up being about evolution. JamesN hasn't posted anything yet.</p>

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<p>everkingly,</p>

<p>Godwin's Law, you will find, is the truest statement about BBS, IRQ, and forums like this one.</p>

<p>Schwartz's Addendum (my hopeful addition to the Net) is also very true as far as I can tell.</p>

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<p>You've been talking to JamesN, he's 7 dust</p>

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I was merely using the synopsis of the book's major argument that you provided in an earlier post.

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<p>Please provide where i "provided the book's major argument"? </p>

<p>I merely stated that the book illustrates statistical evidence regarding why the crime rate dramatically fell during the 90's. Here's a little article that might enlighten you, but who knows, your blathering is making me wonder...</p>

<p><a href="http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittReply2004.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://pricetheory.uchicago.edu/levitt/Papers/DonohueLevittReply2004.pdf&lt;/a> </p>

<p>I guess you have to ask yourself whether you would rather have unborn children with abortion or children living empty lives with little hope (don't give me the Oprah argument, because crack babies don't normally turn out to be able to read by age 2--she's a rare breed)? We have enough issues to deal with as it is, why do we want to bring in more unwanted children? Yes, religions preach abstinence is best, and if not that, then protection and birth control, but if not that, then adoption... but right now, if you want to adopt, there are plenty of opportunities to do that... plenty--you could go adopt 50 kids if you had the resources/time. Do we really need more unwanted or disease stricken (with aids, etc.) children in the world? If you want a good example of why abortion could be a good alternative, just head to Ethiopia and other parts of Africa suffering famines (maybe you could go with Oprah) and take care of them for a while, and see the suffering and dying that goes on...</p>

<p>I know, you're going to blather about MURDER blah, blah, blah, but before you do, just think of all the murders already occuring between drug dealers competing in rival gangs to sell their crack on the corners... (the chances are 1 in 4 that a drug dealer in Chicago gangs dies within 5 years... how's that sound? Is that not murder? Just think if more of them were aborted, and didn't actually have the chance to leave the stamp on the world, with a gun).</p>

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<p>Jesminder:
"You've been talking to JamesN, he's 7 dust"</p>

<p>I already knew that. I meant that he hadn't posted anything about evolution.</p>

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"You've been talking to JamesN, he's 7 dust"

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<p>I should have seen the resemblance in stupidity earlier....</p>

<p>i haven't been in thsi discussion, but what does abortion have to do with hypocrisy?</p>

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<p>what if you support murder and are against abortion</p>

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<p>There are a lot of people like that. </p>

<p>Look at the pro-life conservative Republicans. They are quite obviously pro-murder but anti-abortion.</p>

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<p>I actually attended a speech by Scwartz on environmentalism..It was quite good.</p>

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<p>Dude, Schwartz is me. I was just making up an addendum to Godwin's law.</p>

<p>Unless I've been giving speeches in my sleep...</p>

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<p>You are not refering to Dr. Peter Scwartz?</p>

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<p>Nice save.</p>

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<p>No, I'm referring to Ari Schwartz, a.k.a. UCLAri.</p>

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<p>"I agree that abortions will occur whether or not abortion is illegal. But if we were to implement your logic then there would be no laws outlawing theft, rape and murder. These crimes still happen even though there are laws against them. So, in essence, you are advocating the entire demolition of the legal system of America. Are you insane?"</p>

<p>I NEVER said that we should eliminate laws outlawing theft, rape, and murder. I believe quite the opposite! Yes these crimes will happen regardless, but the nature of theft, rape and murder is different than the nature of abortion. You can outlaw theft, rape, and murder because they directly harm LIVING people. With abortion, you are terminating the potential of a life that is not wanted in the first place (why do you think people consider abortion?! they DO NOT want children). </p>

<p>"NO, NO and NO! It is not my responsibility to help women who can't appreciate their own flesh and blood. Oh really. Well did you know that suicide and drug usage (marijuana, cocaine, etc.) are illegal. So are you for suicide and for drug usage because you are arguing that a person can do whatever she wants to her body?"</p>

<p>I wasn't saying that it is <em>your</em> responsibility but society's. We need to make sure that people are SAFE. This is why drugs + etc are illegal - they are not safe. We need to make sure that when abortions do occur, they are safe. This happens with drugs - by controlling their use for medical purposes, we make sure they are safe. If somebody wants to take drugs illegally I have no say in that, but society can deter them from doing so. Abortion is not like taking drugs... stop trying to compare apples and oranges. By having control of her body I meant that old, white, rich politicians should NOT have any say in what goes on in a woman's uterus!! </p>

<p>"I'm all for it. I never said that there should not be better education on contraceptives. But why stop there. There should also be more programs on abstinence."</p>

<p>I agree. </p>

<p>"It's people like you that makes me sick. Since when have you been a psychic? How can you or anyone else predict what will happen to a child with complete certainty. In addition, you are essentially arguing that anyone who can't afford a child shouldn't have one. So maybe poor people should be banned from having children. That way only parents who can afford children will have children."</p>

<p>I'm not a psycic and I wasn't intending to predict a child's life with complete certainty. Excuse me for generalizing, but SOME children WILL fall through the cracks in the system. And no, I am not saying that people who can't afford children should not have them. If they are prepared to work for their children and want children, they should go right ahead. Nobody should be denied the right of parenthood. Or course, if they truly cannot support a child then they should think about it - why would any person (poor/rich/whatever), want their child to go underfed, sick, without care, etc. Nobody wants that, and if you do, well... you might just be anti-choice. Living period and actually living in a way that you or somebody else can and wants to take care of you are different things. </p>

<p>I just have a problem with people who do not WANT children having them. Chances are that if you have unprotected sex and are considering abortion, you do not want that child or you are not ready for it. Yes, people do stupid things, but two wrongs don't make a right. If you have unprotected sex (ie. the stupid thing) and are not ready to have or want a child (for example if the parents are both still in high school), why subject the potential child to a miserable existance? </p>

<p>"What a hypocrite! First, you say that an abortion should happen during a certain time in pregnancy. And then you write that life doesn't begin until after birth. Wow, listen to yourself!"</p>

<p>I was saying that life doesn't begin UNTIL the child can survive outside the womb - meaning still during pregnancy. During the latter trimesters, (after 24 weeks I think), it would be possible for the baby to survive. In that case, I am against abortion. That is why abortion should happen during a certain time in pregancy.... before "life" begins. </p>

<p>"Just because some unknown general said that American lives are more important than Rwandans doesn't make it alright to bash all peace-keeping missions."</p>

<p>I am not bashing peacekeeping missions. In fact, I heartily agree that we need them. Especially under the form of the "Responsibility to Protect (R2P)" project which was advocated by the Canadians at the UN (unfortunately it hasn't passed yet). I was simply saying that we need to eliminate the "war" mentality when we do use peacekeeping. This means understanding that each living person has value.</p>

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<p>What the **** that post takes up 3 of my screens.</p>