<p>In the US perhaps. Want<em>a</em>scholarship as it right...this was especially true earlier in the century when it was much easier for people from some asian countries to come here (aka obtain a visa) if they were professionals. Some of that stemmed from discriminatory immigration policies.</p>
<p>Ashkenazi Jews are found to naturally have higher IQs than other races. (Look at the amount of nobel prizes they’ve won!)
I read in a study somewhere that Asians have been proven to have more discipline than in other races. Like when they were given some test, they had the most drive. Something like that.
But inherently, no…Jews, yes.
I agree with one of the first posts about being shaped by the Confucian civil service examinations haha :)</p>
<p>Why did you revive the thread?</p>
<p>(To the OP) Heck no, doing well in school DOES NOT equate to pure intelligence. The profiles of arguably the two most intelligent humans who have ever lived(Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein) are neither Asian nor straight A students. Isaac Newton was a B/C student from what I remember reading.</p>
<p>Can people stop reviving this thread OMG</p>
<p>Good job necroing a thread that started almost six years ago. I’m pretty sure the OP in’t monitoring it.</p>
<p>Isaac Newton was the top student in his class and Albert Einstein was a mathematical genius and he earned the top grades in math and physic. He mastered differential and integral calculus by the time he was 15. Also I wouldn’t say that they are the two most intelligent humans to have ever lived. There are multiple types of intelligence and a lot of the philosophical greats like Socrates and Aristotle could blow Einstein and Newtons minds in the subjects they were good in. If you are looking at overall intelligence I’d say that this guy is pretty smart: [Kim</a> Ung-yong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Ung-yong]Kim”>Kim Ung-yong - Wikipedia)
He started speaking when he was 2 months old, fluently by the time he was six months old, solved differential and integral calculus problems by the time he was two and is an artist.</p>
<p>
</p>
<p>Thank God for someone that knows what he or she is talking about. </p>
<p>Social environment is everything. Think about African-Americans. They were used as slaves. They were denied educations. It was actually illegal to teach a slave to read. And when they were freed, President Johnson went out his way to end the Freedman’s Bureau, which specifically aimed to educate freed blacks. Is this environment - this kind of oppression - conduit to learning? No.. It therefore comes at little surprise that African-Americans have lower IQs than … say … whites (former masters of slaves). </p>
<p>If this were a perfect world, in which everyone had equal access to education, in which there were no slavery, in which there was no widespread oppression of certain races, then our IQs would be about the same across the board.</p>
<p>I agree ^ Race has nothing to do with intellect. It’s their environment, and self-control, and self-determination. People choose not to study and get the grades that they want.</p>
<p>To be honest, I think this is a topic that people could go on and on about if they wanted to. Similar to the nature vs. nurture debate in psychology. But, in my opinion, intellect for the most part, has to do with the environment. There are smart AND dumb people in all races. </p>
<p>However, I must admit that usually but not always, whenever I meet a person who is Asian, they are extremely intelligent or at least above the norm. The Top 3 in my class are all Asian technically (Vietnamese, Indian and Arabian) and for the record, my school is less than 3% Asian.</p>
<p>Since environment is such a large factor in intelligence is it wrong to say that asians who as a group are more likely to have been raised in a household that promoted academic pursuits are “smarter” as a group?</p>
<p>Anyone in a household which has pursued academics and holds it in high esteem is “smarter”.</p>
<p>Yes that’s what I’m saying. As a group Asians are more likely to have grown up in that type of household. So as a group are they smarter?</p>
<p>This brings up the question as to how much of ones intelligence is an intrinsic property that one is born with, and how much it can be improved through education and increases in knowledge.</p>
<p>Jews also have a culture of valuing education and knowledge.</p>
<p>One more thing to note is that in these topics there is always greater variation within subgroups than between subgroups.</p>
<p>I think that everyone is born with a set potential that if they grow up in an environment that encourages academics they can reach. Some people’s potential is higher than others, which is why you see some smart people coming out of environments that aren’t as intellectual (if raised in a more supportive household these kids would probably be astronomically bright), but there are going to be some that are just lower and even if they were raised in the exact same environment aren’t going to achieve as much (you see this a lot with siblings). </p>
<p>There is a part of intelligence that is genetic though. Smarter parents typically yield smarter kid. So wouldn’t the conditions of the parents’ and grandparents’ education be what determine’s the child’s inherent intellectual potential is?</p>
<p>asians are not inherently smarter, at least not in all fields. there is a disproportionate amount of asians who don’t excel at coordination-related abilities, such as driving. myself included.</p>
<p>^ I wouldn’t consider driving skills to relate much to intelligence. If the past 30 years of television have taught me anything, it is that smart kids are uncoordinated and pull their pants up too high.</p>
<p>There is no “inherent” intelligence. It’s cultural environment, since Asian society has throughout history put an insane amount of pressure on the young to do well in school in order to succeed (those who are/were in APWH can think of the standardized exams to make it into the Confucian bureaucracy). It’s especially prominent in American schooling because many Asian students’ parents and grandparents moved here under the impression that the “American dream” could be achieved through hard work and sacrifice, and thus pushed their children to do the best.
It really does depend on the environment. I have some stupid, STUPID Asian kids in my time, and I have met many of completely average intelligence. It’s just a complicated mix of upbringing combined with personal ambition and genius.</p>
<p>^ But some people are just smarter than others. Look at twins. A lot of the time you have one that is smarter or better at math or science and they were raised in the same environment. Look at the guy I posted on the other page. He learned to speak fluently by the time he was six months old and he could solve differential and integral calculus problems by the time he was four. That isn’t environment. That is inherrent intelligence.</p>
<p>I haven’t read the all the posts, but I’ll jump in anyway.</p>
<p>Individuals CAN be inherently smart. There are no races that are inherently smarter than others, but there are people that are.</p>
<p>I think a lot of 2nd generation Asians in America are either inherently smart or live in an environment that pushes them to be smart–that’s how their parents got to America in the first place. (But clearly a sample of Asians in the US is not representative of Asians as race.) I’ll bet that less overachieving Asian American students had parents who pushed themselves (or were pushed by their own parents) to succeed but didn’t want to put their children under the same pressure.</p>
<p>I’m Asian, and my parents are, for the most part, inherently smart, so I don’t live in an environment where I am pressured to succeed like other Asians I’ve heard of. (I don’t actually know many Asians, so I rely on the things my mom tells me about her crazy Asian friends.) My parents are supportive and provide me with books and help when I want them, but they aren’t like “you must go to Ivy or you dishonor whole famiry!” In fact, they want me to the state flagship to save money. I would rather be around people a bit more like me though, so they’ll support me even if I go to an Ivy.</p>
<p>I think how almost there thinks about it is effective. kids each have a (genetic) potential, and how much they realize it is influenced by their environment.</p>
<p>Does the average asian environment support the development of intelligence more than the average non-asian environment? It seems that the answer is probably yes. But I would also suspect asians probably have higher average potentials than non-asians.</p>
<p>I don’t really see how environment can account for all the variance. It’s not like asian kids are nutured while other kids aren’t, or have acceptable diets, while other kids have vitamin deficiencies.</p>