<p>Absolutely.</p>
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Regarding their intelligence, it's very general and stereotypical, though... I do agree that statistically, at least from my experience, there are more smart girls that aren't hot than are, but statistics is...only statistics.
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<p>I bet that's what truck drivers who buy lottery tickets say, it's only statistics, doesn't mean anything.</p>
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Yes, girls are dumber particularly because they just sit around trying to stop laughing from reading posts like this which come from someone who calls himself "driedupfish."
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<p>bahahahahahahaha! it just takes too much effort!</p>
<p>just a thought... most people can learn math and science more quickly than they can verbal abilities, which is why verbal scores are generally more highly correlated with a person's overall IQ.</p>
<p>An interesting breakdown to do would be of people's math and verbal abilities by major upon college graduation... Oh Wait! Somebody did that for us! It's called the GRE... (Verbal and Quant are on an 800 scale and writing is a 6.0 pt. scale; approx. overall SDs are noted in parthentheses)</p>
<p>Verbal Reasoning (SD=~100) / Quantitative Reasoning (SD=~150) / Analytical Writing (SD=1.0)</p>
<ol>
<li><p>PHILOSOPHY 589 1. Physics / Astronomy 738 1. PHILOSOPHY 5.1</p></li>
<li><p>English Lang. & Lit. 559 2. Mathematics 733 2. English Lang. & Lit. 4.9</p></li>
<li><p>Humanities & Arts other 558 3. Engineering Materials 729 3. Arts & Humanities other 4.8</p></li>
<li><p>History 543 4. Engineering Electrical 728 4. History 4.8</p></li>
<li><p>Arts History, Theory 538 5. Engineering Chemical 727 5. Political Science 4.8</p></li>
<li><p>Religion 538 6. Engineering Mechanical 723 6. Religion 4.8</p></li>
<li><p>Physics / Astronomy 534 7. Engineering other 714 7. Anthropology/Archaeology 4.7</p></li>
<li><p>Library/Archival Sciences 533 8. Engineering Industrial 710 8. Arts History, Theory 4.7</p></li>
<li><p>Anthropology/Archaeology 532 9. Business Bank. & Fin. 709 9. Education Higher 4.6</p>
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<li>Foreign Lang. & Lit. 529 10. Economics 706 10. Foreign Lang. & Lit. 4.6</li>
<li>Political Science 522 11. Computer & Info. Sciences 704 11. Sociology 4.6 </li>
<li>Economics 504 12. Engineering Civil 702 12. Communications 4.5</li>
<li>Mathematics 502 13. Chemistry 682 13. Economics 4.5</li>
<li>Earth/Atmos./Marine Scs. 495 14. Earth/Atmos./Marine Scs. 637 14. Education Secondary 4.5</li>
<li>Engineering Materials 494 15. PHILOSOPHY 636 15. Library/Archival Sciences 4.5</li>
<li>Biological Sciences 491 16. Biological Sciences 632 16. Physics / Astronomy 4.5</li>
<li>Engineering other 490 17. Architecture 614 17. Psychology 4.5</li>
<li>Arts Performance/Studio 489 18. Business other 609 18. Biological Sciences 4.4 </li>
<li>Chemistry 487 19. Natural Sciences other 603 19. Chemistry 4.4</li>
<li>Sociology 487 20. Agriculture 596 20. Earth/Atmos./Marine Scs. 4.4</li>
<li>Education Secondary 486 21. Business Accounting 595 21. Education Curr. & Instr. 4.4</li>
<li>Engineering Chemical 485 22. Humanities & Arts other 594 22. Education Eval. & Res. 4.4</li>
<li>Natural Sciences other 482 23. Political Science 589 23. Engineering other 4.4</li>
<li>Architecture 477 24. Religion 583 24. Mathematics 4.4</li>
<li>Business Bank. & Fin. 476 25. Education Secondary 577 25. Natural Sciences other 4.4</li>
<li>Communications 470 26. Foreign Lang. & Lit. 573 26. Social Sciences other 4.4</li>
<li>Psychology 470 27. Anthropology/Archaeology 571 27. Architecture 4.3</li>
<li>Computer & Info. Sciences 469 28. Arts History, Theory 571 28. Arts Performing/Studio 4.3</li>
<li>Engineering Mechanical 467 29. Business Administration 562 29. Business Bank. & Fin. 4.3</li>
<li>Education Higher 465 30. History 556 30. Education Elementary 4.3</li>
<li>Social Sciences other 465 31. Arts Performance/Studio 554 31. Engineering Chemical 4.3</li>
<li>Education Curr. & Instr. 462 32. English Lang. & Lit. 552 32. Engineering Materials 4.3</li>
<li>Agriculture 461 33. Health & Med. Sciences 552 33. Public Administration 4.3</li>
<li>Engineering Electrical 461 34. Education Curr. & Inst. 548 34. Agriculture 4.2</li>
<li>Engineering Civil 457 35. Education Higher 548 35. Business Administration 4.2</li>
<li>Public Administration 452 36. Sociology 545 36. Computer & Info. Sciences 4.2</li>
<li>Education Eval. & Res. 451 37. Psychology 543 37. Education Administration 4.2</li>
<li>Business other 450 38. Library/Archival Sciences 540 38. Education Counseling 4.2 </li>
<li>Health & Med. Sciences 447 39. Education Eval. & Res. 534 39. Education other 4.2</li>
<li>Education Elementary 443 40. Communications 533 40. Education special 4.2</li>
<li>Engineering Industrial 440 41. Education other 531 41. Engineering Civil 4.2</li>
<li>Business Administration 439 42. Social Sciences other 528 42. Engineering Mechanical 4.2</li>
<li>Education other 437 43. Education Elementary 527 43. Health & Med. Sciences 4.2</li>
<li>Home Economics 435 44. Education Administration 523 44. Home Economics 4.2</li>
<li>Education Special 432 45. Public Administration 513 45. Business other 4.1</li>
<li>Education Counseling 428 46. Education Special 502 46. Education Early Chood 4.1</li>
<li>Social Work 428 47. Education Counseling 500 47. Engineering Electrical 4.1</li>
<li>Education Administration 427 48. Home Economics 498 48. Engineering Industrial 4.1</li>
<li>Education Early Childhood 418 49. Education Early Childhood 495 49. Social Work 4.1</li>
<li>Business Accounting 415 50. Social Work 468 50. Business Accounting 3.9</li>
</ol></li>
</ol>
<p>Notice it's actually PHILOSOPHY that has the overall SMARTEST people and that certain "smart" fields such as engineering don't tend to do very well on the areas that show intelligence (verbal and analytical writing are more indicative of actual intelligence because they require more innate abilities; whereas the math on the GRE primarily requires being able to creatively adapt and use formulas as well as memorize said formulas)</p>
<p>INVENIAMVIAM, do you live in some remote town in kansas?
Asians are known for their smartness pal... at least, they are really good with quant skills.</p>
<p>I asked myself your question and...</p>
<p>A pretty female friend of mine is going for engineering and is doing better than many of her male counterparts.... She also works harder than most of them. Sure, she could get anyone in her engineering class to do her work for her. But, she's capable of doing it herself. No need to generalize. She's not Asian either.</p>
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Actually Asia had the first civilizations in the world, so they are the true founder of math + science.
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<p>Having civilizations doesn't mean that you founded math and science. They were around for longer and still couldn't beat the euros/arabs to the punch.</p>
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<p>I'm pretty sure that analytical writing has just as little to do with innate intelligence as applying formulas, etc. on the math section. It's a learned skill. Even if they found a way to test quant. skills based on sheer intelligence the engineers would still come out on top.</p>
<p>Look at this from a girl's perspective (to add kelseyg's post0:</p>
<p>Would a girl want to be one of the FEW ones in a math/science class? It's rather intimidating when you're surrounded by men. That's why women's colleges produce very high rates of math and science majors- no men, professors who can cater to their needs, collaborative work that works for them, etc.</p>
<p>Guys, how would it feel to be one of the few men taking... say, an upper level sociology seminar? Particular if the topic is gender... now that draws more women than men because men don't like to talk about sexuality :p</p>
<p>Yes we do. And I'm not intimidated by chicks - actually I'd love a class that was all women. That soc. class would be awesome.</p>
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I'm pretty sure that analytical writing has just as little to do with innate intelligence as applying formulas, etc. on the math section. It's a learned skill. Even if they found a way to test quant. skills based on sheer intelligence the engineers would still come out on top.
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<p>Sorry, not true. Across psychometric studies, verbal aptitude tests have been found to be the most stable indicators of intelligence and tend to correlate most highly with other operational definitions of intelligence (including multiple intelligences). Engineering majors do quite well in quantitative and logical skills; however, their performance in verbal is mediocre ON AVERAGE.</p>
<p>The real problem with this thread, though, is that intelligence cannot be so easily defined. Just try it! WHAT is intelligence? What makes one person smarter than another?</p>
<p>I said analytical writing, not verbal aptitude. Verbal aptitude is reading comprehension and verbal reasoning. And I guess what I said was poorly worded. I meant to say that engineers would beat arts majors and the like in a properly made quantitative test. Probably wouldn't beat math or physics majors in that regard and wouldn't beat arts majors in verbal.</p>
<p>I would agree. I think ultimately people in each major have their strengths and weaknesses. I simply wanted to make the point that there is no reason to think of the skills in math/science fields as indicating more intelligence than humanities fields. The reality is that each requires a different set of skills entirely and it is really not possible nor appropriate to try and assign value to one type of intelligence or skill over another. All people, skills, and subjects are necessary for society to function, so I do not see why we must place a value judgment on any given one of them.
(The AWA assessment, btw, bears a strong, positive correlation to the verbal section, while neither has a particularly strong correlation with the quant section)</p>
<p>wow, very insulting title. </p>
<p>anyway, i recently heard about this on the radio. and it is said that women overall tend to score a bit higher on the SATs. But both genders in their intelligence aren't significantly different from each other. However, men are usually overpraised for abilities they don't have, which drives up their confidence level and makes employees believe they have these skills (one of the reasons men usually get paid more in the workforce). While women are generally underpraised and their confidence level is usually lower even for skills they do have. So, no. women aren't dumber than guys, but guys sure do have a bigger ego, and you know it's true.</p>
<p>Males score higher on the SAT.</p>
<p>they do not</p>
<p>They do</p>
<p>SAT</a> score averages of college-bound seniors, by sex: 1966-67 to 2003-04</p>
<p>That's because a larger proportion of girls/women take the SAT (and therefore go onto college). More of the guys who would be at the bottom of the SAT spectrum don't bother taking it.</p>
<p>apumic,</p>
<p>I don't know if verbal/writing skills are better indicators. I'll leave it to other experts to discuss. But as far as those GRE stats for engineering majors go, keep in mind the average verbal/analytical writing scores are dragged down by large number of test takers from foreign countries. The verbal/analytical writing becomes a foreign language test for them and it no longer reflects their innate intelligence. I think 1/3-1/2 of grad students in engineering fields are internationals.</p>
<p>By the way, where do you get those stats?</p>
<p>4321234, do you just say things without any intention of backing it up?
SAT</a> Data Tables</p>