Are SAT scores important for internship?

<p>Some people say that SAT score plays a role in getting an internship, and states that some highly prestigious firms don't even look at applicants with SAT score below certain level. </p>

<p>On the other hand, some people say that SAT score is only a high school thing and states that as long as I have good GPA and good soft skill, my SAT score won't play a role in internship, even for a very prestigious firm.</p>

<p>Which is true?
And by prestigious firms, i'm talking about the elite-level ones like McKinsey, Goldman Sachs, citigroup, Lehman Bros, J.P. Morgan, Bain, etc.</p>

<p>Some firms will employ SAT score cut offs, yes.</p>

<p>D.E. Shaw prop trading for instance asks for people with something like 1500 or higher SAT scores</p>

<p>My career development center did not tell me to put SAT on the resume (said it does not make sense) and the companies I looked into did not demand it either....also the companies that you mentioned might be interested in GMAT scores or something not stupid SAT's</p>

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<p>but im talking about undergrad internship, and most undergrads do not have GMAT score until they actually put application to business grad school.</p>

<p>As a freshman looking for an internship would it be wise to put a 1440 (out of 1600) as part of my high school education part on my resume or leave it out as it is not that extraordinary.</p>

<p>Yes, Lehman cuts off at 1400--unofficially.</p>

<p>Thanks man. I'm so glad I retook it last month then (my previous score was 1340).</p>

<p>While I realize that it's hard to find things to put on your resume at the beginning of college, things from high school do not really belong on it. It may be a good idea to leave some important activities or jobs; however, where you went to high school and your SAT scores definitely should not be on there.</p>

<p>...does it matter if you got a really, really good score? For example, if you got a 1600, would it be worth putting it on your resume? </p>

<p>Also, as far as listing where you went to high school, does it matter where you went to high school? I've left my high school (a pretty famous one) on my resume and I'm a sophomore right now. More than a couple people have mentioned it or at least used it as a conversation piece..</p>

<p>"...does it matter if you got a really, really good score? For example, if you got a 1600, would it be worth putting it on your resume? </p>

<p>Also, as far as listing where you went to high school, does it matter where you went to high school? I've left my high school (a pretty famous one) on my resume and I'm a sophomore right now. More than a couple people have mentioned it or at least used it as a conversation piece.."</p>

<p>I would never put an SAT score or High School name on a resume. Both are a waste of useful space (there are better, more relevant things to put on the page) and, IMHO, it's a bit tacky. Recruiters are more impressed by the things you're doing now--not the things you did four years ago in high school. Things such as the competitiveness of your high school or your SAT scores are not going to differentiate you from other candidates. When you apply for your second job out of college, for instance, no one is going to ask you about the things you did in college--they are going to ask you about the things you did in your first job.</p>

<p>I'll refer you to this discussion:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=125236&page=2%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=125236&page=2&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>There are some firms out there that are interested in your SATs, but they will certainly ask for it. If they don't, I wouldn't mention them. Most of the firms that do ask for them don't actually use the scores in making a decision--they just college the information for curiosity's sake (I know that my firm, for instance, runs a report every year that includes the average SAT score for new hires, but no one does anything with that number).</p>

<p>Wrong. NOT ONLY do banks want SAT scores, they request it.</p>

<p>Example: The Lehman Brothers application I posted:</p>

<p>"If you have plans to be in New York on November 3rd, 10th, or 17th and are interested in attending, please email your resume (include GPA & SAT/ACT), unofficial transcript and cover letter specifying the date of your availability by October 29th to: <a href="mailto:AnalystClassOf2008@lehman.com">AnalystClassOf2008@lehman.com</a>"</p>

<p>"Include GPA & SAT/ACT" - The bulge bracket will ask for it on your resume. If not your resume, then on the supplemental application it asks you to list your high school GPA and SAT I score. All the supplemental applications I have filled out for ibanks/asset management firms/boutiques asked for SAT I. It's also something all online career applications request (Monster, HotJobs, Internal HR). </p>

<p>Trust me.</p>

<p>To the above poster: I disagree. If you went to a prestigious/top tier high school, you definitely should list it. You didn't go through grade deflation for nothing. The SVP from Morgan Stanley who gave my high school a speech during our alumni event said "I have never seen high schools listed on resumes as much as Boston Latin School." I went to BLS, and it has helped me tremendously on applications, in HR conversations--above all, it says you didn't go to a joke school.</p>

<p>How is it that some schools have students who have a 4.0 (perfect, unweighted) GPA applying to UCB/UCLA, but they only scored an abysmal 980 COMBINED/1600? The SAT I is basic math and verbal reasoning and it is a solid indicator of a certain school's grade inflation. Otherwise, ETS would be out of business. (And this is a subject I have studied extensively)</p>

<p>Back to high schools: Only list high schools if they are the Phillips-Exeters/Andovers/Stuyvesant's/Latin schools. With that, include GPA (if you were a great student), "Advanced Placement and Honors Courses," and substantial awards such as medals, national merit, math competitions (analytical ability)</p>

<p>You'd think that it makes no difference, but believe me in round 5 interviews at GS or super-saturdays, they will make conversational points and will distinguish you among the sea of Ivy Leaguers. </p>

<p>HR does review SAT I scores: human capital is no good if scores are 1000/1600's. 1400 cut off, it's market value on Wall Street.</p>

<p>So would you say I did a proper job on the high school portion of my resume? </p>

<p><a href="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/Grandpabuzz/resumehighschool.jpg%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v288/Grandpabuzz/resumehighschool.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Yes, good job. Remove the "of class" and use "Top 2%" or Ranked Top 2%. SAT I instead of SAT Reasoning Score. Looks good.</p>

<p>Btw, you know that you provided us with your full resume before right? (the other thread that has your contact information and everything heh =) )</p>

<p>Yeah, I got to go and delete that lol.</p>

<p>thatbiggbadwolfy: "Wrong. NOT ONLY do banks want SAT scores, they request it."</p>

<p>ryanbis: "There are some firms out there that are interested in your SATs, but they will certainly ask for it."</p>

<p>I believe that I clearly acknowledged that some firms do look at SAT scores--they are, however, in the minority. Additionally, if you read the thread to which I linked, Alexandre indicates that his experience with Goldman Sachs was different from your experience.</p>

<p>"All the supplemental applications I have filled out for ibanks/asset management firms/boutiques asked for SAT I. It's also something all online career applications request (Monster, HotJobs, Internal HR)."</p>

<p>I was speaking about resumes--not supplemental applications. All of the firms I applied to out of college required me to fill out an online application and they did request my SAT scores. As I indicated before, though, none of them actually used the scores in making a decision. There's a significant difference between including your SATs on your resume and including them on a boilerplate application that HR will most likely never look at. </p>

<p>If your firm requests it, or it seems to be commonplace in the industry, then by all means include your SATs on your resume. For the vast majority of people, however, that will not be the case.</p>

<p>"Trust me."</p>

<p>Haha.</p>

<p>"To the above poster: I disagree. If you went to a prestigious/top tier high school, you definitely should list it. You didn't go through grade deflation for nothing."</p>

<p>What relevance does high school grade deflation have on applying for a job in college? You worked hard in high school so that you could get into a good college--that's it. What you did in high school is not going to help you get a job after college. I can't imagine being in my 20s and talking to recruiters about how challenging my high school was. You should have much more important things to talk about. You only have one page to work with on your resume--hopefully you've moved on from high school and have more relevant things to include.</p>

<p>Note that this is College Confidential and not all of us are graduates. In fact, this discussion about SAT I score applies to the majority of students who are applying for summer analyst positions. Some are freshman, some are sophomores; most are juniors and seniors. </p>

<p>"I would never put an SAT score or High School name on a resume. Both are a waste of useful space (there are better, more relevant things to put on the page) and, IMHO, it's a bit tacky." </p>

<p>Your statement here overshadows any attempt to reconcile with our view that school name and SAT scores are considered/reviewed. The poster above you said that his "famous" high school name was used in conversation. But let me give a retort to what you said:</p>

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<li><p>What division was Alexandre applying into in GS? IBD? IT? Merchant Banking? Private Equity? Even if we assume that his experience is typical (and if so, everyone can just lie about their SAT score), GS is not the only firm in the bulge bracket--this is what I am emphasizing.</p></li>
<li><p>A strong, competitive secondary education background prepares you for college. Let's say your high school did not grades as generously as others. You had a lower GPA (which banks do ask for: high school GPA's) but high SAT I scores. Alternatively, with inflation, you have a great high school GPA, but your SAT scores are abysmal. Obviously, grade inflation is attributed to this phenomenon: someone who has a near perfect GPA but doesn't have basic math/verbal reasoning skills. This explains how some end up in top undergraduate schools with poor college GPA's (but have the prestige's edge) and how bright students who go to state colleges--aren't exactly dumb (but do not have any big banks at their career fair). So, when the cut-throat evaluations come, the SAT levels the playing field, gives students in non-Tier 1 schools a chance for an interview, and the scores are but one indicator of performance. </p></li>
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<p>We are again talking about the inclusion of SAT I scores , since your knee-jerk reaction obviously did not take my comments into context and your "Haha" derision does not help your argument at all. We're not talking about success in getting jobs after college. We're talking about now, current college students who have not graduated. It's almost like a transfer application: the more junior you are, the more closely your high school record follows.</p>

<p>Even in the link you provided, it's clear that the McKinsey's, Bains, and Lazards want SAT score, evaluate SAT score, and do comparisons with SAT score. I would not base my argument on 1 GS experience. The Vault snapshots that are sponsored by ibank firms clearly state a requirement of competitive SAT I scores.</p>

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<li><p>The one page norm is not law: 2 pages are fine. Case in point: my resumes were never thrown away being 2 pages. Reviewers: Pfizer, Novartis, Bloomberg, Merrill Lynch, etc. The point of the resume is to get the interview and to outline talking points during the interview.</p></li>
<li><p>Don't you think senior mangement--their alma mater--is familiar with the elite boarding schools? Compare a college student a Uchicago who graduated from Exeter and a student at Dartmouth, who graduated from a no-name high school. </p></li>
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<p>We're not putting one's entire high school life/drama story on the resume. Just the name of the school, if famous/reputable and the SAT I score that the majority of investment banks, boutique firms, asset management firms, and consulting firms request/evaluate.</p>

<p>Thnx guys for such detailed answers.
One more question though.
My SAT score is not very good (1320 out of 1600), and now having read all these answers here, I'm starting to get worried.</p>

<p>do you think it's ok if i retake the SAT now (I'm a sophomore in college) and get a higher score? I mean, majority of the argument here seems to indicate that SAT scores are used only to measure the difficulty level of the high school attended. If that's the only reason, would it be pointless to retake SAT during the college to get a better internship?</p>

<p>How would the recruiters view SAT scores taken during the college years?</p>

<p>I believe it's always in good favor to retake standardized tests simply on the reason of picking up strategies and basic knowledge for the other exams conducted by ETS, etc.</p>

<p>Case in Point: You did not escape the SAT I post-high school. There's the GRE, the GMAT, LSAT, and so on so forth.</p>

<p>The GRE/GMAT's verbal does not deviate much from the old SAT I verbal section sans the analogies.</p>

<p>They can take it without a second thought, OR, they can scrutinize it and ask, how come your school is out of 2400?</p>

<p>You can use this in your favour, and say: Well, I did poorly before, but I studied my material and confronted the exam, and I have a competitive score now.</p>

<p>It one, shows you are committed into your career search, and two, you have enough respect for the firm that you actually retook the SAT I.</p>

<p>It's not pointless because your SAT I score will either follow you and give you a leg up or haunt you.</p>

<p>So I met with an associate at Goldman Sachs today (not a formal interview, more an informational kind of thing), and he took a look at my resume. I asked him about the high school thing, and he said it was good to list since a lot of people are indeed familiar with the school and you never know, it could help. As for my SAT score, he also thought it was good to list because it reinforces high academic achievement. </p>

<p>After talking to my school's career center and a few recruiters, this is my conclusion: I think it's fine to not list your high school or your SAT I (unless specifically requested), but if you feel like it might help your resume because your high school is sufficiently well-known or your SATI score is impressive, then do it. Nobody's going to think you're horribly naive because of it.</p>

<p>Excellent point. I rest my argument. If you must know, Lehman and Morgan Stanley will say and have said the same thing.</p>