<p>From my personal experience with international relatives, the top schools seem to be:</p>
<p>Harvard
Princeton
Stanford
Yale
MIT
Berkeley</p>
<p>They kind of scoffed when it came to Columbia and Brown (not that I’m saying that’s right or that I agree) and didn’t really know Cornell or Dartmouth well at all.</p>
<p>I should also mention, for this particular country, Oxford and Cambridge seemed to beat out or tie with Harvard.</p>
<p>^Agreed. Especially in Asia, the international reputation of Berkeley is higher than all the ivies except for HYP. Most people wouldn’t know what you’re talking about if you mentioned Wharton. But, I think this is due to Berkeley’s strong graduate and engineering programs, not really Berkeley undergraduate as a whole.</p>
<p>^^ also agreed.</p>
<p>I think people know Berkeley more than Yale/Princeton actually. It’s like Oxford/Cambridge in the UK and Harvard/Stanford/Berkeley in the US.</p>
<p>^ yea. from my experience, harvard is the most known, obviously. then (not exactly in order) oxbridge, berkeley, stanford, mit and yale to a certain degree (mainly due to yale law).</p>
<p>lol oxbridge? college fusion powah!</p>
<p>Generally Harvard is most well known in my eyes. Then you got Princeton, Yale, Stanford and Berkeley. MIT and Caltech only v. well known in USA. Brown Columbia Dartmouth Cornell are all just hit or miss.</p>
<p>Um… I’m pretty sure that MIT (especially) and Caltech are quite well known outside of the US. I don’t know how well you can compare the two, but I would think MIT is more famous than Yale. But that just goes to show how silly it is to compare schools that are both good, and both specialize in totally different areas.</p>
<p>Yeah I’m actually sure MIT is pretty well known outside US dunno what I was thinking. Not sure about Caltech.
But anyways I was watching the MIT open lectures, god their professors are so intense. But like detailed and deep…=</p>
<p>MIT is known here. Caltech, not so much, sorry. Of course, I’m only talking about my part of the world (somewhere in SE Asia).</p>
<p>Harvard<br>
Oxford
Cambridge
Yale
Princeton
Stanford
LSE
MIT
Berkeley
Cornell</p>
<p>To a lesser extent, Michigan. Doesnt make much sense for undergrad, but then again, prestige alone doesn’t say much.</p>
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<p>Dude, are you really that insecure? I guess you have a deep personal affiliation with Berkeley? </p>
<p>I mean, if you call students at Cornell “dumbest” at Ivy…</p>
<p>That just means that students at Berkeley are close to “mentally disabled”. HAHAHA
Because, let’s face it, Cornell students are stronger than Berkeley students in considerable measure.</p>
<p>Even if anyone who is courageous/misinformed enough to make such a claim, at least Cornell is being compared to HYP, Columbia, Dartmouth, and the like. The IVY group is tremendous. The student body is VASTLY superior. CAL, on the other hand, belongs to a group of colleges like UCLA, UMichigan, USC, UVa, and the like. Sorry, it just doesn’t compare.</p>
<p>I have two cousins who LITERALLY bombed their high school. They both barely graduated. They then went to community colleges, did decent work, got like 3.7 gpa, and transferred to Berkeley. They both admitted that their community colleges were significantly easier than their high school. Both had terrible high school grades and grave SAT scores. Yet, got into Berkeley as transfers. I am a cousin of theirs so I don’t want to say bad things. But, they both would be never make a cut at ANY of top private schools. </p>
<p>I try to refrain from ad hominem attacks. But, I noticed that you put out tons of offensive, non-sensical claims that are out of reality on and out of this thread. </p>
<p>I believe most experienced posters on this forum (the_prestige, et al) would agree that you are a mad man that has a extremely clouded judgement suffering from extreme pro-Berkeley bias.</p>
<p>And at the end of the day, we’re arguing with insubstantial data over an anonymous (sorta) forum. Glad you’re happy with your choice to attend Cornell, LazyKid. You should take your laughable posts over to the Cornell forum and stop perusing (read: ■■■■■■■■) the Berkeley forum. This thread should die.</p>
<p>Also… </p>
<p>The better way to phrase your assertion that Cornell is “dumbest” Ivy would be Cornell being “weaker” compared to some other Ivies. Let’s face it: Except for Stanford, MIT, and CalTech, no school on the planet (Berkeley included, for sure) can compare to HYP + Columbia + Brown in terms of student body.</p>
<p>Columbia and Brown both have acceptance rates below 10% and they rejects tons of vals with near perfect SATs. </p>
<p>Yeh, sure getting into Cornell is not as nearly competitive as these schools. But, who cares? The point is that it is an Ivy, has an association with these tremendous universities, it already is a very strong academic institution, has rich resources, and has similar selectivity with UPenn.</p>
<p>I read somewhere you are an adult who graduated from Oxford, who is Asian, that is working in US. Hahaha… maybe that is why you constantly bring up this ‘international’ Berkeley prestige thing. Let me ask: so England folks perceive Cornell as a school for Berkeley rejects?? I will need to ask one of my classmates from England about it… you surely don’t sound like an Oxford grad… but I could care less. Before posting thousands of crude posts, please do some research!</p>
<p>LazyKid you’re showing a prime example of division…while you do refrain from ad hominem, you manage to say that students from Cornell are comparable to students at HYP. That’s simply not the case.</p>
<p>Just pointing out the fallacy in your argument. BTW, you do the same for Berkeley. Argue about the school itself, not the schools that are “similar” to it. Such a weak point.</p>
<p>someone’s not feeling the love here. i’m not gonna point fingers though.</p>
<p>“LazyKid you’re showing a prime example of division…while you do refrain from ad hominem, you manage to say that students from Cornell are comparable to students at HYP. That’s simply not the case.”</p>
<p>?? No. I would be delusional if I say that students from Cornell are equal caliber to HYP. I said, however, that students at Columbia or Brown may be equal in caliber to HYP students. I was talking about the point of reference being discussed. One poster mentioned that Cornell is the dumbest ivy. And, the point is even being the dumbest ivy is a feat in itself, considering all eight IVY schools are uber-elite. (possibly the most elite schools on the planet at undergraduate level, with Stanford, Duke, and MIT) I said that Cornell students are similar with UPenn students in terms of caliber…</p>
<p>LazyKid, try to contact hawkettte. She’s one of the regulars on CC. She will show you how dumb Cornell kids are compared to other ivies. </p>
<p>seriously, man. Cornell isn’t that great. It’s just a fallback school for many Berkeley people. Don’t get offended, brother. For me, Cornell is cheap and I seriously don’t want to be associated with it. No way! I don’t want to have this stigma of being forced to attend a school because no other ivies want me. But then again, that’s just me.</p>
<p>First of all, what empirical evidence and statistics are you pulling from? Cornell students are similar with UPenn students in terms of “caliber”??</p>
<p>How do you define caliber? Justify your claim. You mentioned that the admission stats for freshman to Cornell are near that of UPenn…how could that possibly represent a causal relationship for students being of the “same caliber”? </p>
<p>You’re extrapolating your personal experience (i.e. your cousins?) to a school with 24,000+ students and claiming that because of those couple examples, Berkeley isn’t as prestigious or strong as Cornell? 2 or 3 cousins isn’t even close to an appropriate sample size from that population. </p>
<p>Also, I would imagine that you like to justify your beliefs through USNWR rankings, right?. Please tell me that you can actually read the statistics and means by which USNWR calculates these rankings of school prestige. Any logical person can see that they are swayed toward schools with heavy funding. </p>
<p>Berkeley may not have the “Ivy funding”, but it has many of the greatest professors and departments in the world. Funding does not directly reflect the quality of education in a school - to assume so is naive. Simply researching each department at Berkeley will indicate this. Tons of UCB departments are Top 5 in the nation. In fact, Berkeley also has the top 5-10 grad schools in just about everything…Not to mention UCB is the #1 feeder to UCSF med school (Top 5). </p>
<p>Oh yes, call me out on my location. I have no doubt that you have already contemplated and predetermined your jaded response.</p>
<p>Vent your insecurities about Cornell’s prestige elsewhere. Displacing your insecurity on a college forum (especially the Berkeley forum) is just laughable and immature. I hope that one day you’ll realize that Cornell is a great school and that Berkeley is as well.</p>
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<p>HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!</p>
<p>I am speechless. I heard of Cornell being a fallback school for HYPS rejects. But Berkeley? Never heard of such ridiculous sentence in my life. Seriously, dude, where are you from?
Maybe in your country that sort of statement is true. I would be interested to know. HAHA</p>
<p>Btw, since you claim to have gone to Oxford or whatever, I thought the British ranking of world universities may be relevant for the discussion.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2009/results[/url]”>http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2009/results</a></p>
<p>From this British ranking, not that it matters here in U.S., Cornell is ranked #15.
Berkeley is ranked #39. HAHAHA… I bet the British people aren’t really impressed by the Berkeley degree. And, much less would the European folks think that Cornell is a safety school for BERKELEY rejects.</p>
<p>Sorry mate, you are a joke. I win. You lose.</p>
<p>You are sure you went to Oxford? You sound like an ignorant high school student with significant lack of maturity…</p>
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<p>RML, try to contact my two cousins, who had sub-par qualifications by any imagination, yet managed to get into Berkeley as transfers from community colleges. They will tell you how dumb some of the kids are at Berkeley, compared to ANY ivies.</p>
<p>“You sound like an ignorant high school student with significant lack of maturity…” </p>
<p>Nice reaction formation lol.</p>
<p>Btw are you going to continue ignoring my post above?</p>
<p>@ LazyKid: Once again you neglect to examine the methodology behind the statistics.</p>
<p>50% of the findings for “World University Rankings” that you mentioned above are based on a whopping 12,500 surveys worldwide.</p>
<p>There are more people than that in my town. Do your research. Weak methodology ftl.</p>