Berkeley Regents vs. Some of the Ivies

Colleges and Universities A-Z University of California - Berkeley
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<p>Hypothetically, do you guys think its a better idea to attend Berkeley as a regents and chancellors scholar or one of the non-HYPS ivies or good schools like penn, brown, columbia, dartmouth, or northwestern? (For a business major)</p>

<p>Although money really THAT big of an issue, is it true that some of the benefits of Berkeley Regents mitigate a lot of the harms you guys have been talking about? AKA the prestige of the scholarship + putting it on a resume, having a faculty sponsor, meetings with the regents associations for networking opportunities with upperclassmen/professors, ect.</p>

<p>What do you guys think? Any input at all would be appreciated. Especially from current regent scholars.</p>

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<p>Really? So they give preferential treatment to in-staters for professor access and charge out-of-staters with oftentimes better stats and qualifications an Ivy League price and push them into the crap generic program.</p>

<p>Another reason to hate Berkeley.</p>

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<p>1) Regents Scholarships are offered to out of staters too. I suggest you research your shyt before making criticisms based on warrantless assertions. And I'm sorry if you didn't get one. Don't get butthurt about it.</p>

<p>2) We pay the damn taxes that fund this school.</p>

<p>3) Thanks for giving valuable input to my thread. If you didnt want to contribute, you coulda saved all of us a little time and not posted.</p>

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<p>The university loses about on average several thousand per student versus what it gets in tax receipts for them--in state students that is. It does NOT lose money on out of state students. Don't give me that bs, your taxes pay for very little for the cost of your berkeley education and neither does your tuition. Much of the money that goes into Berkeley is federal too and ALL american citizens pay that so bite me. </p>

<p>Finally found some information they hid, it doesn't seem to limit to in-staters so I was wrong there.</p>

<p>Out-of-staters still get ripped off.</p>

<p>And no prob, I'm here to be helpful to all the selfish punks who are dreaming of going to law, business, or medical school for the money. Yay, money!</p>

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<p>(EDIT IN RESPONSE TO HIS EDIT: HAHA nice edit on your post. You should probably have looked at the figures before you decided to make your little indignant criticisms. But oh well, this information is still useful so I'll leave it up. Anyways, if you dont want to offer any valuable insight other than complaining about your position as an out of stater, then id kindly request that you leave my thread)</p>

<p>Hmm lets see, you say that someone told you only in-staters get regents. All you offer to support your point about regents only being for in-staters is some anecdotal evidence. Actually, I've personally heard of a kid who got regents from out of state as well so at best these two "stories" are a wash.</p>

<p>Now lets take a look at the berkeley scholarship website for some real info.</p>

<p>Hmm first lets look under eligibility for the Regents and Chancellors Scholarship:</p>

<p><a href="http://students.berkeley.edu/fao/scholarships/rscpro_elig.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://students.berkeley.edu/fao/scholarships/rscpro_elig.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"All prospective students who apply to UC Berkeley for fall admission from high school or from a California community college are considered automatically for the Regents' and Chancellor's Scholarship. There is no separate application."</p>

<p>Looks like all applicants who apply from a high school (as long as they arent from a community college) are considered, no matter what state they are from!</p>

<p>But even if you don't believe that...</p>

<p>Lets go to the site about the review and selection process:</p>

<p><a href="http://students.berkeley.edu/fao/scholarships/RCSselct.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://students.berkeley.edu/fao/scholarships/RCSselct.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Look to the links at the bottom of the page. Oh snap! It looks like theres a link for "Non-residents and California candidates entering from an out-of-state high school"! Now why would they have that for the Regents/Chancellors scholarship if it were only offered to in-staters....</p>

<p>Now if you click on that link...</p>

<p><a href="http://students.berkeley.edu/fao/scholarships/RCselectNC.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://students.berkeley.edu/fao/scholarships/RCselectNC.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Well this confirms it.</p>

<p>Not spending more then 5 minutes googling "Berkeley regents scholarship" and clicking on a few links do you find out that Berkeley Regents can be given to high school kids all across America.</p>

<p>Wasn't that easy?</p>

<p>Maybe you should try something like research when you whine and pout about the injustices of berkeley.</p>

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<p>"And no prob, I'm here to be helpful to all the selfish punks who are dreaming of going to law, business, or medical school for the money. Yay, money!"</p>

<p>Wow. An attack on my character with little or no backround knowledge about me at all. You just keep demonstrating your maturity on these boards.</p>

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<p>The exact same thing you tried to do with me. Mr. Arrogant Hypocrite, won't just enjoy your free ride and shut up?</p>

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The university loses about on average several thousand per student versus what it gets in tax receipts for them--in state students that is. It does NOT lose money on out of state students.

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<p>Well, actually, yeah it does. Berkeley loses money on ALL of its undergrads. True, Berkeley loses more on in-state students than on OOS students, but the fact is, all of its undergrads are a cost drain to some extent. </p>

<p>The only students that actually 'make' money for Berkeley are the doctoral students, whether in-state or OOS, because they provide cheap labor for the departments. But that's true of all research universities.</p>

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Hypothetically, do you guys think its a better idea to attend Berkeley as a regents and chancellors scholar or one of the non-HYPS ivies or good schools like penn, brown, columbia, dartmouth, or northwestern? (For a business major)

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<p>I think this is a very tough question because I do agree that the RCS's do mitigate some of Berkeley's problems. In fact, the whole RCS initiative can be considered to be the seed of my idea of an 'honors college' at Berkeley. </p>

<p>So I would say that it then becomes quite a toss-up. I really couldn't say which is better. You have to find out which one fits for you.</p>

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<p>"The exact same thing you tried to do with me. Mr. Arrogant Hypocrite, won't just enjoy your free ride and shut up?"</p>

<p>Haha, listen. I started this thread asking about the benefits of regents. You posted saying as how it was unfair regents is given only to in-staters. You also complained about the higher price for out of state applicants. Your first point has already been refuted/conceded. As for your second point, it has nothing to do with the question this thread posed at all. No where do I say the higher price for out of state applicants are completely fair. In fact, I don't know as much about the "tax returns," ect as you claim to so I'm not gonna get into that argument with you. I just said that "we pay taxes" to show that in-staters do give a little more to berkeley than people from out of state (even if this does not justify the large difference in cost). This justifies some differentiation in treatment.</p>

<p>In summation, I don't really know if it's fair or not for the difference in cost to be that large. All I know is that isn't why I posted this thread and if you want to complain about that, I'd appreciate it if you would start your own thread.</p>

<p>Anyway, I'm sorry if you took anything I said as an attack on your character. Although you did make criticisms without checking your facts, I still dont know what I said that made it seem like I'm doing everything for money?</p>

<p>Whatever though.</p>

<p>I hope we're cool.</p>

<p>If you have anything substantive to contribute I'd appreciate it.</p>

<p>sakky thanks for the input! Haha, anyone else?</p>

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<p>bump!</p>

<p>any other input?</p>

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<p>To be honest, the RCS is what you make of it. Many people do not take advantage of their faculty sponsor, nor attend the faculty dinners that come each month. I take advantage of every perk I can, especially when I had the opportunity to eat dinner with a former Boalt Admissions Dean (as I am pre-law). </p>

<p>It's also nice to meet other people that have the same motivation you do, and to see the success of the upper classmen. The current president of the association will be attending UCSF med school next year. </p>

<p>And YES OOS get the scholarship. I've met them, they exist!</p>

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<p>How is Berkeley any different than public schools from other states? In state is ALWAYS cheaper than out of state.</p>

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<p>Is Regents Scholarship even available to international students?</p>

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How is Berkeley any different than public schools from other states? In state is ALWAYS cheaper than out of state.

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<p>I think the reference was to how much cheaper. For example, it used to be the case that Berkeley was still cheap even for OOS. Now, not really. </p>

<p>There is also something to be said for quality, especially in relation to the intersection of quality and selectivity. The truth is, if you're good enough to get into Berkeley OOS, then you're probably good enough to get into a top private school. Either that or good enough to go to a lesser school (public or private) that will give you a full merit ride. Compared to that, it may be better to turn Berkeley down.</p>

<p>Yet there are some Berkeley programs that are well worth the money. For example, I know plenty of people who would happily pay OOS tuition to get their MBA at Haas, or their law degree at Boalt. And of course doctoral students don't really care about tuition because they almost always get funded anyway.</p>