Artist Diploma for Voice, Opera

<p>I know that CC is primarily an undergraduate forum, but I have seen some discussion here on graduate programs, as well. Can anybody tell me about their experiences applying and auditioning for AD programs in Voice and/or Opera?</p>

<p>Is it customary to contact faculty members of interest prior to submitting an application, just as it is in other non-music graduate programs? Or is this just not done? </p>

<p>Is there anything wrong with asking the school's admissions folks right off the bat if they expect to admit [voice part X] next year, prior to submitting an application? And will most schools know whether they'll be looking for that voice part in the fall prior to the year of admission?</p>

<p>Are the admissions process and criteria for AD voice programs similar to the admissions process and criteria for undergraduate and master's programs, or are there notable differences for AD programs? For instance, as a total nube, I would assume that there is a huge emphasis on the voice itself -- technique and career potential, and significantly less emphasis on academic prowess when applying for an AD. Is that a good guess? If so, in what other ways can an AD applicant set herself/himself apart aside from a stellar audition if academics don't receive much weight? </p>

<p>Basically, I'm curious about what schools look for in their AD candidates. Are the criteria pretty much the same as they are for master's degree candidates? What makes for an outstanding AD voice applicant? </p>

<p>Thanks for your time!</p>

<p>I guess responses get to be pretty slim pickin’s as you get to the post-grad school level. Oh, well. :)</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/professional-graduate-school/”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/professional-graduate-school/&lt;/a&gt; perhaps try the graduate forum for better responses</p>

<p>The above link I don’t believe will help you much–this is the proper place to be asking your question. I think folks are just busy with summer plans perhaps and so are not online as often. I don’t have experience specifically with voice or opera, only instrumental, but I can offer my educated guess for your answers. AD admissions are basically all about the audition–as are M.M. programs. (Undergraduate admissions, depending on the school, could focus on academics as well–but less so if at all in graduate admissions). I think it would be fine to contact prospective faculty members to set up sample lessons or ask questions about the program, as well as contacting the schools to inquire about specific enrollment criteria such as voice part openings. After all, you want to be applying to schools where you feel you will have a good fit with the instructor and department. Hopefully some of the voice people will also respond to your post to give more specific information.</p>

<p>Thanks so much, Clarimom! I appreciate your response! (And yours, too, guineagirl, though I don’t really think that the general, non-music grad school forum is the best place for a music school question. Music school is too unique for that. But thank you anyway for responding! :slight_smile: )</p>

<p>The answer(s) to your questions vary widely from school to school. At many schools- and I can quite honestly name the few that don’t fall into this category ( which are the top, professional development programs)- VP Artist Diploma and/or Professional Studies certificates applicants fall into these categories:
A) Students who don’t have the academic qualification to gain acceptance into a Master’s Degree programs- they may have undergrad degrees in other subjects which have left them too many deficiencies to pick up and fit into the 2 year time frame, or they got poor grades in undergrad and the school is unwilling to take a chance on them not making it through the Master’s coursework.For VP majors looking for a Master’s degree, grades DO factor in because there is more coursework to come at that higher level.</p>

<p>B) Students who have a Master’s degree and either want to 1) study with a specific teacher and who may have particular vocal needs at this point in their study 2) need more time for their voice to mature 3) need/want more roles on their resume 4) want to delay paying back those student loans for as long as possible
Sometimes those categories may overlap!</p>

<p>C) Students who frankly, are not good enough to make a successful go of a career in opera and who are killing time or operating under the delusion that something will miraculously change. This is NOT the case with the top half-dozen or so programs.</p>

<p>There are far too many schools that will take on students who fit into the latter category because there are always students willing to pay. This is a result of the explosive proliferation of voice programs since the advent of “such and such’s Got Talent”, “Glee” and other such shows. Those also spawned an upsurge of high school musicals and teachers with nebulous qualifications stroking egos of students who are often not too talented but whose parents are willing to pay to encourage their kid’s dreams. Unlike instrumentalists, singers begin later and don’t have the measuring stick of youth orchestras. chamber groups and pre-college programs by way of comparison. Those with larger voices, such as Wagnerian singers, or those whose “tops” don’t come in until later need more time to mature and can’t be overworked because of the potential for vocal damage. The girls and tenors with those bright, high notes may gain early acclaim but that may be all- they just might not grow and develop further. The voice is a living instrument and is subject to all kinds of problems.
If I had a dollar for every kid that I’ve known who has been told , “I’ll hear you at the Met one day”,by small town voice teachers or well meaning family members, I could take my family out to dinner at Masa in NYC! Again, a lot of that is a function of the simple lack of the comparison opportunities that instrumentalists have.There are simply too many singers so programs have continued to open, from undergrad on up.</p>

<p>Yes, go right ahead and contact potential teachers, although by this point, the student should have a very good idea of the teacher he/she is looking for as well as the program.
Asking admissions offices about prospective openings at this level is pointless- they don’t know and don’t have any say in it anyway. Such questions can be directed to the program director or the teacher, but even then, it can be difficult to anticipate openings if the school has BOTH Artist Diploma AND Professional Studies, because students may decide late in the game to move from one to the other if they didn’t get in to another school or for various other reasons. I know of singers who have been at the same school for 5 years now, moving from an AD to PS, and that can wreak havoc on admissions and casting arrangements!
Academics don’t enter into AD admissions, so it’s all about the audition. In an ideal setting, the student’s abilities and potential for a successful career should be the determining factors. Pay attention to your repertoire; look up what pieces are being sung most frequently (yes, that info is out there) and try to stand out, but not make yourself too different. Unlike MT, where there is a “do not sing” list, VP/Opera panels don’t want really obscure rep- that can backfire as it did in this year’s Met Council Finals, when several of the baritones chose the exact same “unusual” piece and all ended up singing the same thing in the final round! If you’re a light lyric, the type who would be realistically hired to sing Gilda or Juliette, by all means do a knock out performance of "Caro nome’ or “Je veux vivre”- don’t show up with obscure Russian or Berg! When I say “realistically hired”, I mean for an actual opera production; there are arias that one can sing in concert but one would never be hired to sing the entire role in the opera, so don’t go by what you may have sung at a summer program in concert or even in a “scenes” segment. </p>

<p>I hope I’ve covered things for you, SimpleLife, but if not, PM me or ask away here!</p>

<p>Thank you, Mezzo’s Mama, for that very informative response! :slight_smile: That’s just the type of information I was looking for! All very interesting and just about every bit of it is news to me. Thanks!</p>

<p>I may end up PMing you (thank you for the offer!), but I thought our conversation might be useful for others, too, so I’ll ask some questions here, publicly. </p>

<p>The student in question falls solidly into category B, but I suppose it’s possible that he could be verging upon category C without our knowledge! Ha! I sure hope not! Does one ever really know before he/she makes it? He’s definitely not in category A and, in fact, will have his MM prior to the AD. </p>

<p>When you say that by this time a student should have a very good idea of the teacher he is looking for “as well as the program,” what do you mean by “the program?” As in the school?</p>

<p>I see what you mean by the admissions folks not being in a position to answer questions about the following year’s openings. That makes sense. And I hadn’t thought about the fact that current students may rather unexpectedly stick around or even switch programs. All good points.</p>

<p>When you say to look up what pieces are being sung most frequently, can I be a dumb bunny and ask you to expound? I see that you’re suggesting that the audition rep should help one stand out but yet not be too different. So is the point of knowing what’s being sung most frequently to generally avoid the most common selections but choose something that’s LIKE them? Or is it to actually choose from the more common pieces? I hadn’t heard about this year’s Met Council Finals where all the baritones ended up singing the same “obscure” piece. How unfortunate! </p>

<p>And how does one find out what’s being sung most frequently? NFCS? Other sources? I’m clearly in the dark.</p>

<p>Do you know if prospective AD candidates are in the running for GTA positions, scholarships, and grants, just as much as the DMA and MM students? Or are they not as frequently “recruited” with good scholarship packages? Is it common-enough to get a financial offer with an acceptance as an AD student? </p>

<p>Anything else you can think of that might set AD students apart - slash - unique things to know about applying for an AD?</p>

<p>Thank you again for your time, Mezzo’sMama! ;)</p>