<p>hi, i'm a junior in a public school. i understand that it's much harder to get into an ivy league school as an asian. but, i've been a resident here for about 4 years.. sooo don't you guys think that i would get some advantage (even if just a tiny bit) ???</p>
<p>absolutely not. sorry. work hard.</p>
<p>As an Asian or as an international who just moved here? Your reference to your residence made me ask this.</p>
<p>Do you mean a US resident? Why would being a US resident put you at an advantage? Unless you mean that you wont be competing against international applicants (who tend to be stronger and more competitive), then there is nothing your US residency can help you with. Actually, being a US resident and not citizen puts you at a disadvantage. You wont qualify for many scholarships and awards such as US Presidential Scholar. Also, (correct me if I'm wrong), you have to be a US citizen to qualify for special programs such as RSI.</p>
<p>sorry to inform you this... but there are MANY Asians who are just like you, some have been a resident for LESS than 4 years... and they're probably aiming for Harvard too... your situation is not that unique.</p>
<p>Are you international (don't possess Green Card or US citizenship)? or US citizen?</p>
<p>If you are international:
No, residency in your state does not help you significantly - because at the end you are still compared against the incredibly competitive international pool.</p>
<p>If you are an US citizen:
No, residency does not help you either, because there are many Asians in America who are also residents of their state.</p>
<p>So in sum, I don't really see how your residency in your state matters in terms of admission. Your passport country, would, however, make a big impact (the comparison between the domestic pool and international pool is huge).</p>
<p>unfortunately, less than 10% chance of attending ivy league if you are an asian.</p>
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<p>What statistic are you referring to? I don't think any private university
has published its admissions rate for Asians. </p>
<p>It is true that, at top schools, it is in general harder to get in for Asian applicants (see Princeton study, Federal investigaton of Harvard, and others), and that grade and test-score patterns that would be interpreted as good for a black applicant would be interpreted as mediocre for an Asian applicant.</p>
<p>I think that affirmative action is so wrong. I mean isn't this America? The Land where people fought for equal rights regardless of skin color. Now people are taking that away. Admitting URM's even though they have lower scores brings down the school academically and hurts more qualifies people. Its also not doing the URM's a favor. If they have mediocre scores and get into Harvard or Yale what is the chance of them doing well there anyways?</p>
<p>completely agree w/ Collegebond's idea! Seriously, I know a Mongolian who does so badly at school but got accepted into Harvard.</p>
<p>ugh. sometimes i hate being asian.</p>
<p>We don't want this to go where it's going....</p>
<p>So how's the weather where everyone is? =D</p>
<p>I also absolutely agree with collegebond. Affirmative Action is an offence against the idea of equal rights.</p>
<p>I don't know if it gives you an advantage, but it differentiates you from the rest of the Asian-Americans who have lived in the US and A for their whole lives.</p>
<p>That said, I've been a resident for little over a year, and I'm aiming for Harvard too, so I guess we're not all that unique.</p>
<p>I think there's a misunderstanding concerning equality. It does not always mean that everybody gets treated exactly the same, it means that everbody should have the same chances.And this comprises that some groups must be treated different to ensure equality. At first view, it might seem strange but I'm sure you'll understand what's the sense of URM preference. They often face much more difficult living conditions and this disadvatages them in concern of academic performence. Colleges just try to balance that.</p>
<p>So sulipro, you're saying a rich black girl who'se biggest problem each day is deciding to drive her Porsche or her Landrover to school is somehow disadvantaged when compared to an dirt poor Asian family who has to walk to school every day because his family can't even afford a single car? Disadvantages come with economic status. A rich black girl has the same opportunities as a rich Asian guy. Colleges should not give preferential treatment to URMs just because of their skin color. Colleges should grant preferential treatment based on economic status, not race.</p>
<p>I agree, it's a little unfair. But even in that situation, I would take the wealthy African American over the wealthy white American. Because economic hurdles aren't the only hurdles faced by African Americans looking to achieve in this country--some would argue that their culture doesn't promote academic success in the largely white world of academia (after all the terrible troubles experienced during integration, is it any wonder that a distrust and distance exists among African Americans in education?). So it is, in fact, fair to value a high-achieving African American in education over the white or Asian because the African American had that unique spark that helped them overcome the lack of cultural support that whites and Asians already were privileged enough to have.</p>
<p>I totally agree with jimbob. </p>
<p>@atiscorp You're stating one single example but I was talking about the general situation.</p>
<p>When your history and culture is an inheritance of mistrust for the educational system, then how can you be expected to achieve at a level equal to that of people like Asian Americans, who for their whole lives are told that Education is the highest goal and the Ivy League is the altar? I mean....think about it...if your grandparents were shunned, discriminated against, and generally screwed over in school (go read some desegregation/integration stories...), what sort of support are you going to get at home for school achievements? Is it at all comparable to that of whites or Asians? No. So, African Americans aren't being privileged in the admissions process. Admissions is simply recognizing the greater effort and individual strength it took for them to achieve at a high level.</p>
<p>jimbob, if Chinese Asian Americans can gain trust in the educational system, why not African Americans? In this country, Chinese Asian Americans were even not tolerated and excluded from citizenship in 1800's.</p>