<p>About what percentage of the student body can the school be for asians to be NOT be considered a ORM and what is needed for asians to be considered a URM
i really want to go to georgetown and i think its roughly 10 percent there.</p>
<p>depends on the type of asian. south asians (indian) or east asians (korean/chinese/japanese) will never be considered an URM. </p>
<p>now if you’re SE asian or pacific islander it might be a different story…</p>
<p>Are you asking if there are top schools that consider Asians to be URMs because they don’t have many Asians? </p>
<p>Don’t know of any. Even top schools that are not in the NE or West seem to still have a good number of Asian applicants.</p>
<p>The only Asians that I know that “might” be considered URMs would be those who are Pacific Islander or are a mixed race that would include Black or Hispanic.</p>
<p>Would Eskimos be considered URMs???</p>
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<p>it’s really quite simple when you spell out the acronym:</p>
<p>“under represented minority”</p>
<p>Asians are something like 5% of the population (maybe a little higher in some regions) and 20-25% of most top colleges, until that percentage comes within range of 5% (even representation), asians will be significantly over-represented minorities, so don’t expect any advantage anywhere from being asian, it’s probably a serious disadvantage at most top colleges.</p>
<p>It really doesn’t matter, honestly. Asians are overrepresented in almost every aspect of higher education (or the most competitive ones, anyway). </p>
<p>Even if a top school is 5% Asian or something which is less than the typical 10+% that you might find at the most selective colleges don’t expect to get any boost due to your ethnicity.</p>
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That is greater than the roughly 3.6% of the American population that is Asian (according to the 2000 census). Focus on being academically qualified and a uniquely excellent applicant, in your own way.</p>
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American Indians/Alaskan Natives are considered underrepresented minorities.</p>
<p>So what people have been saying above is not necessarily true. </p>
<p>Asian students still make up a much greater proportion of college applicants with the top stats that universities want, so if a college has an image problem where they have a disproportionately low yield or application rate among Asian students, even if they end up with a student body >5% Asian, they are still losing a disproportionate amount of top applicants to other schools based on race/culture.</p>
<p>Take Notre Dame or some top southern schools for example. At ND something like 7% of the student body is Asian. If 15% of the best applicants are Asian, ND is shut out of 8% of the best applicants, likely more than they’re willing to sacrifice for ethnic diversity (which they have very little of, note the 3% black population and 9% hispanic population, which is especially low for a catholic university). At ND, it very well may be that being Asian would give an advantage because it would help them attract more asian students and thus more of the top students that they lack to their school.</p>
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Do you have anything at all to substantiate this allegation? Or the principle lying behind this example? You mean to say that the percentage of Asians that are among the “best” applicants is more than double those accepted? Or those attending? Because almost all of those “best applicants” could be accepted, and they just choose not to attend.</p>
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<p>All I did was pose a viable scenario in which an Asian applicant COULD be treated like a urm. Even though by strict definition Asians as a whole are not URMs, that wasn’t what the OP wanted to know.</p>
<p>I did think tyler’s intent was just a scenario. I have followed ND closely for ~5 years and I think it’s one of the few T20 (maybe the only?) schools where being Asian would be an advantage.</p>
<p>I think at Vanderbilt Asians aren’t considered overrepresented, as Vandy is trying to dispel its southern rich WASP stigma. </p>
<p>There’s no way to tell if a racial group is over or underrepresented at a school looking just at its student profile. That 10% asian group could have come from a 3% asian applicant pool (meaning the school wants asians), or it could have come from a 25% asian applicant pool (meaning the school wants less of them).</p>
<p>Well the OP did ask in what circumstances Asians would be considered URM and there really aren’t any instances where being Asian alone would give someone the equivalent advantage of an additional 200-300 points on the SAT (1600 scale) which is the kind of statistical boost URM offers. Even in the case where a school wants to recruit more Asians to attend the Asians aren’t going to get the kind of advantages in admissions URMs are given that some CCers regularly whine about.</p>
<p>In fact I think if a school wants to actively recruit more Asians, rather than hold their Asian applicants to lower numerical standards they would do so by trying to increase the yield rate of the accepted Asians (perhaps by scholarships, etc). This is because there are tons of Asian students with high numbers to go around compared to URMs with high numbers, which are not only rare in a college’s student body population but rare overall in terms of out of all the students applying to college every year.</p>