<p>For those that don't realize it, this story is from over two years ago.</p>
<p>Okay, so who bumped this thread and refueled the heated debate that died peacefully more than a year ago?</p>
<p>Li transferred to Harvard (where he got rejected as a senior) if anyone is wondering. Apparently filing legal action against Princeton was the kind of EC they were looking for.</p>
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Just as the UNCF is run by blacks for blacks.
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actually, believe it or not, it offers scholarships to people of all races/ethnicities...</p>
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Li transferred to Harvard (where he got rejected as a senior) if anyone is wondering. Apparently filing legal action against Princeton was the kind of EC they were looking for.
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<p>Not only may it be the kind of EC Harvard was looking for, but it also showed that Li had chutzpah. At 18, he was willing to undergo harsh criticism for what he believed in.</p>
<p>I mean, this is the thread where some parents ridiculed him and claimed that this would destroy his future career. I guess his successful transfer to Harvard is his middle-finger-in-the-face to them.</p>
<p>Kudos to Li.</p>
<p>My point is, Tyler09, that many scholarships, which purportedly for minority, exclude Asians as recipients. Those scholarships that are open to all minority students take in considerably fewer Asians compare to other races. Take the Gates Millennium Scholarship for example, which I am a scholar of, is overwhelmingly for black students. Another example would be the Ford “Minority” Scholarship, who only asks that students who are:
• “Citizens or nationals of the United States
• Members of the following groups:
• Alaska Natives (Eskimo or Aleut)
• Black/African Americans
• Mexican Americans/Chicanas/Chicanos
• Native American Indians
• Native Pacific Islanders (Polynesian/Micronesian)
• Puerto Ricans
• Individuals who aspire to a teaching and research career at the college or university level
• Persons who have not earned a doctoral degree at any time, in any field
Although it doesn’t outright exclude, it does not extend any invitation to Asians. Therefore, Asian students who want scholarships have to look to race-neutral merit scholarships. I’m not debating the merit or the goal of these scholarships, they are funded for a specific reason with specific groups they want to help; and if they don’t want Asians to apply, then it’s their prerogative. But I also want people to acknowledge that Asian students are not being put on the same playing field, whether in admission or in scholarships.</p>
<p>“actually, believe [UNCF] or not, it offers scholarships to people of all races/ethnicities.”
I’m glad the UNCF is opening its arms to different people, but it’s undeniable that the organization is founded with the purpose of advancing black students in high education. One of its main goals is to, “Be a leading voice for African-American education in this country…” and “Sustaining and strengthening our member historically black colleges and universities.” I don’t see any thing wrong with this goal, but to suggest that UNCF is, at this moment, totally for all races on an equal basis is reaching a bit too far.
UNCF:How</a> We Got Here</p>
<p>If this applicant's argument was to have any merit, any woman could make the same claim. Think of the Kenyon admissions officer's article, "To All the Women I've Rejected". This argument is ridiculous.</p>
<p>Wonder why he did not apply to Princeton?</p>
<p>Wonder if he was trying to protect his chances at Harvard for eventual transfer, suing Princeton only.</p>
<p>Thumbs down for Harvard for being afraid of Ji.</p>
<p>Obviousely you diddn't read the whole thread. Suggest you read post #28 by dcfca, where states why he filed the complain (note not law suit) against Princeton. It was based on Princeton's own researchers that on average that Asian students has to earn 50 points more to be addmitted to Princeton. ... I happen to notice that the complain was filed two years ago when Princeton's asian student body was around 13% of Asia American (class 2010). A year late class 2011's Asia American is 15%.</p>
<p>anotherNJmom:</p>
<p>Whoops. I read the article two years ago. My bad. An the 50 points is equal to a few questions (depends on the sub-section as well).</p>
<p>A 2% jump in one year. Wonder how that stacks up against historical trends at Princeton, as well as trends at other colleges and universities? </p>
<p>Still...thumbs down for Harvard & Ji.</p>
<p>That's life. The compliant makes a valid argument, but unfortunately the issue is not with Asian Americans, but with trying to meet the needs of too many students. Special Interest can not merely be given to everyone, for a 4.5% population 10-30% student population at top tier schools is not too shabby. We do need to keep affirmative action rolling as of right now. Minorities just have not had the same opportunity as others have, after all the years of oppression it seems a bit foolish to consider them "equal" at this point in time. White students also have a difficult time with acceptance, the bar is set extremely high for them as well compared to other minorities, yet they need the opportunity to become equals in this country in all areas as well. All members of society have to compromise at some point. </p>
<p>I am glad he was admitted to Harvard as a transfer. Guess the key is bashing ivy league schools to be admitted to the others, I will keep that in mind</p>
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Wonder if he was trying to protect his chances at Harvard for eventual transfer, suing Princeton only.</p>
<p>Thumbs down for Harvard for being afraid of Ji.
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<p>He most likely figured since they all rejected him he may attempt bashing one of them and give it a shot at the others, I'm sure the hatred is mutual as far as Harvard and Princeton are concerned. Big risk that paid off for him big time, smart boy in my book.</p>
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<p>The scholarships I cited in post #258 are not from Asians for Asians.</p>
<p>Corporations (or as you define “organizations mainly run by Caucasians”) such as Verizon and UPS, designate ethnic organizations, such as OCA (for Asians) Hispanic Scholarship Fund (Hispanics) and UNCF (African Americans) to administer THEIR (the Company’s) scholarships for the members of the ethnic organization’s community. It is the corporate sponsor who is providing the funds for the scholarship – not the OCA, HSF or the UNCF - they are only the “middle-men”.</p>
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<p>I don’t quite understand the point you are trying to make by saying they are run by Asians and that there are no “scholarships run by non-Asians for Asians exclusively”…</p>
<p>For the most part funding for the scholarships listed on the HSF and UNCF websites are from corporate sponsors, some of the same sponsors that fund scholarships through OCA, USPAACC and APIASF. They are, to use your definition, “Caucasian” sponsored scholarships run by Black, Hispanics & Asians organizations.</p>
<p>But think about it, would it make sense for a corporate sponsor to appoint a *non-Asian<a href="or%20non-Hispanic,%20etc">/i</a> organization to administer their scholarships if the intended recipient is an Asian (or Hispanic, etc) student? Wouldn’t an organization with ties to the targeted community be the most pro-active in reaching out to their students?</p>
<p>To answer your question: No, I don’t know of any corporate funded scholarships, which target specific ethnic groups, that administer their programs through organizations which are not culturally connected to the community they are trying to reach. Which are the ones you are referring to?</p>
<p>I’m really not trying to argue with you. The only reason I originally posted the scholarship opportunities was to respond to the comment:</p>
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<p>For example, scholarships abound for African-American and Hispanic students, yet no such minority scholarship or award is given to a high achieving Asian American, or recent Caucasian immigrant.
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<p>This is not exactly correct, as opportunities do exist. If anything, I was hoping the scholarship links would prove as useful to other posters, as they have been for me.</p>
<p>To Daeshim,</p>
<p>Yes, I do understand that those scholarships are funded by corporations which are run by a predominately white board. I’m not debating with you on that point. The point of my previous posts is not to argue about scholarships administered by race base foundations. No one is denying those foundations help their constituent races. </p>
<p>As my subsequent posts have pointed out, when Asian students look for minority-base scholarships, they would have to look to at a very limited pool. Most of them are administered by Asian groups, and as you have pointed out there are only three major groups. </p>
<p>When you look at scholarships that target all minority groups (excluding organizations that target specific racial group like OCA, UNCF, and HCF), Asians are disproportionately underrepresented by a large a margin. I have pointed Gates Millennium Scholarships (whose primary administrator is UNCF) as one example. Many scholarships that is purportedly for “minority” student left out Asian as a qualified applicants. The Ford Minority Fellowships as another example I pointed out above. The point of my argument is that Asians students who want scholarships should not pin their hope on race base, for-minority scholarships for there are very few and limited amount of them that are for Asians or let them apply. Instead they should look for merit scholarships that are relatively race-neutral.</p>
<p>Thank God that Princeton rejected an obvious D-Bag.</p>
<p>college admissions ARE biased against Asians. They have racial quotas/affirmative action to help racial groups that have traditionally faced discrimination in america (basically all non-whites), but these policies are just further discriminating against a group that has faced discrimination!! it's not equalizing, just further alienating an entire ethnic group.</p>
<p>since when has overcoming obstacles become something that one should be punished for?</p>
<p>he's probably one of those kids who would go to Harvard over any other top ten school in a minute just because it's slightly more well-known, completely disregarding fit.</p>
<p>If Harvard accepted Jian Li as a transfer, clearly they thought Li was a fit for the school.</p>
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<p>Or afraid of Li filing a complaint against them.</p>
<p>aznfishy:
the way Affirmative Action works is a bit more complex than that. there are many factors that play into Asians being "discriminated" against in the college admissions process.</p>
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i agree. on top of that, Li is no doubt a fit academically, but from what i've read, it seems as though a lot of people at Harvard/Princeton/Yale dislike him...</p>