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I really hope that the whole perception of "get into --> good grades --> good school --> get good job--> get lots of money" isn't widespread among Asian parents, especially in terms of business jobs. If so, I would like to slap them. Does their S/D interview well?! Do they have natural intelligence or are they just a Clydesdale that can work on a problem for hours?! Can their S/D shmooze or mingle with the top execs?!
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<p>Just to let you know, “Clydesdale”-esque jobs do pay well…</p>
<p>Filipinos are Asian Pacific Islanders though... What are they, Austrailian? Don't want to mixed up with the Chinese and Koreans huh? Thats racist.</p>
<p>I'm sure this has already been mentioned, but I'm gonna say it anyway - not all Asian parents are like the stereotypical ones being discussed in this thread. I'm sure there are a lot of White parents who want the best of their kids also. But one of the deciding factors of "asians and college prestige" is that many Asian parents (being first/second generation-immigrants) simply don't know that America is home to an ASTOUNDING number of amazing colleges. They think that the extent of "good" is HYPS because of what they've grown up with; for instance, in China, there are basically only 3-5 absolutely superb colleges that everyone in China vie for. On the other hand, in America there are so many more, and it's that simple lack of education about different colleges that make the parents act like Harvard is the only fantastic college in America.</p>
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First off, I'm Filipino, so I don't really count myself as Asian. That's my opinion, let's not move into that whole discussion. A few points I want to discuss:
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Sorry, can’t resist. If you’re not Asian, then what are you? I don’t know how you answer this question, but if you say, “I’m Filipino,” then that’s just a cop-out. What makes the Philippines so special that they don’t have a corresponding continental demonym?
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<p>I think he's simply detaching himself from the stereotypes you've enforced about Asian parents/families. He chooses to assume that said stereotype is much more valid for mainland Asian families than for Filipino families. </p>
<p>So yes, he probably doesn't consider himself "Asian" because he's read the thread and chooses not to identify.</p>
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But one of the deciding factors of "asians and college prestige" is that many Asian parents (being first/second generation-immigrants) simply don't know that America is home to an ASTOUNDING number of amazing colleges.
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<p>I would say this is more myth than reality. The UCs are not the only public universities with high Asian enrollments. Many state flagships have double-digit Asian student body percentages. Furthermore, it is very common for any LAC ranked in the top 10 of USNWR to have an Asian enrollment that is at least double the nationwide percentage of ethnic Asians. I think many Asian parents do know that there are a lot of amazing colleges here.</p>
<p>I am Korean myself, and I find it funny how so many Asian parents don't know excellent schools exist outside of Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, MIT, Berkeley, and etc. Many of them have never heard of UPenn or Dartmouth...</p>
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I think he's simply detaching himself from the stereotypes you've enforced about Asian parents/families. He chooses to assume that said stereotype is much more valid for mainland Asian families than for Filipino families. </p>
<p>So yes, he probably doesn't consider himself "Asian" because he's read the thread and chooses not to identify.
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<p>“…you’ve enforced…” Is this ‘you’ singular or plural?</p>
<p>He can choose not to identify with the stereotype. That’s fine, and more power to him if he does choose so, for the stereotypes are idiotic. However, he’s still Asian. The Philippines are in Asia, and native Filipinos are Asian.</p>
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Many of them have never heard of UPenn or Dartmouth...
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<p>Recent freshman cohorts at UPenn and Dartmouth were both 15% Asian. Perhaps you live in an area that happens to not care about either UPenn or Dartmouth? I think that’s more likely than “many…have never heard of [them].”</p>
<p>This topic always makes my blood boil..........it's laughable at best to even suggest that an Asian person has any intellectual advantage over a white person. So, their parent's "pushed them" and their skin and eyes are different. Big flippen deal. White parents push their white children too. Most of the Asians I've met have suffered socially as a result of parental pressure. In the long run, that really is a disadvantage in the real world. I understand the URM deal, but the Asian stuff is just something most of us laugh off............as if the feel "entitled". Sheesh. Produce the goods and then we'll talk.</p>
<p>That wasn't my point. Just because Asians make up 15% of the freshman class doesn't mean UPenn/Dartmouth are well known among Asian parents. Especially ones in Korea.</p>
<p>Large asian student population =/= well known among asian parents</p>
I understand the URM deal, but the Asian stuff is just something most of us laugh off............as if the feel "entitled". Sheesh. Produce the goods and then we'll talk.
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<p>Can you elaborate on this? What is the Asian "stuff" and what "goods" are you referring to?</p>
<p>Yea I also find it kind of funny that Asians seem to have to need to "live up" to their race or parents and apply to the top schools in the country when it may not be in their best interest. I'm not Asian, per se (I'm Indian), but you find the same thing with Indians as you do many Asian kids. Something I live by is that "it's not what college you attend, its what you make of yourself at any college that makes the difference". You can get an equally good education anywhere if you apply yourself and remain focused and determined, and I just wish a lot more people would start to understand that. Peace.</p>
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That wasn't my point. Just because Asians make up 15% of the freshman class doesn't mean UPenn/Dartmouth are well known among Asian parents. Especially ones in Korea.</p>
<p>Large asian student population =/= well known among asian parents
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<p>Would you agree that a large Asian student population means the school is well known among Asian students?</p>
<p>If so, would you agree that Asian students, like all other students, generally discuss their college lists with their parents?</p>
<p>And if you agree with that, doesnt it follow that a lot of Asian parents know about UPenn and Dartmouth?</p>
<p>Assuming that every Asian student at UPenn and Dartmouth has at least one parent, then thats a lot of parents who know about UPenn and Dartmouth </p>
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I'm not Asian, per se (I'm Indian), but you find the same thing with Indians as you do many Asian kids.
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<p>Sorry, can’t resist when this comes up. If you’re not Asian, then what are you? European? Whatever you say, please don’t give me, “I’m not Asian, I’m Indian.” As I said a page ago, that type of comment is a major cop-out. What makes India so special that it doesn’t have a corresponding continental demonym?</p>
<p>Nope, not true. A school can have a large Asian population and not be known among Asian parents. </p>
<p>(You consider 15% LARGE Asian population?)</p>
<p>UCI has a ridiculous percentage of Asian population, yet if you go up to random Asian parents and ask, there's a good chance they don't. Unless they are from the Irvine area, obviously.</p>
<p>fabrizio give him a break.
Indians are technically Asians, but when we say "Asians" it usually REFERS to Chinese+Koreans+Japanese. You know this too I am sure.</p>
<p>What makes India so special? Whaaaaat. Why are you overreacting so much? lol</p>
<p>"How many Asians do you have at your school?"
"Ohhh tons dude, tons."
"How many Indians?"
"Like none."</p>
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Indians are technically Asians, but when we say "Asians" it usually REFERS to Chinese+Koreans+Japanese. You know this too I am sure.</p>
<p>What makes India so special? Whaaaaat. Why are you overreacting so much? Lol
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<p>There’s no “technically” involved. India is a part of Asia, therefore Indians are Asians. Really, since when do we let people ignorant in geography dictate what’s part of Asia and what’s not?</p>
<p>I’m just curious for those who say, “I’m not Asian, I’m Indian.” If you’re not Asian, then what are you?</p>
<p>Stone headed, eh? What I meant by Large asian student population =/= well known among asian parents was that large Asian student population does not necessarily mean that the school is well known among the parents. Where are you trying to go by telling me that I was the one who said it? You are saying that UPenn and Dartmouth must be well known among Asian parents because they have 15% Asian student population. Okay, to begin with, I don't consider 15% to be a large portion of the student body. Second, even if a school has a really high Asian population percentage doesn't mean that school is well known among Asian parents. </p>
<p>I will gladly answer your questions.</p>
<p>Would you agree that a large Asian student population means the school is well known among Asian students? Nope, not always. Just because a school has a higher Asian population doesn't mean it's well known among Asian students. (For the 100th time) UC Riverside, for example, has over 40% Asian population, but it's not very well known among Asian students/parents.</p>
<p>If so, would you agree that Asian students, like all other students, generally discuss their college lists with their parents?
Riverside students can discuss it with their parents, but it's still not known among Asian parents.</p>
<p>And if you agree with that, doesn’t it follow that a lot of Asian parents know about UPenn and Dartmouth?
No.</p>