<p>Ummm...</p>
<p>Southeast Asians do get a bump, while Japanese/Chinese/Korean kids do not. The former are URMs, while the latter are not URMs.</p>
<p>Sorry, the Jews have got you beat. We're not considered a minority anywhere. In fact, when Larry Summers stepped down from Harvard, and the Boston Globe did a story on the search, they stated that Harvard had never had a woman or minority president, conveniently ignoring the fact that, as a Jew, Larry Summers is a minority.</p>
<p>Historically, Jewish kids had at one time been considered a minority, but no longer. And, I think the better schools tried to keep them out, not help them get in.</p>
<p>"I'd say because so many asians are the same. I know it sounds crude, but if you look at many applicants</p>
<p>-Math / Science specialty (for ivies often perfect all around)
-Valedictorian
-Violin / Cello player
-Hospital Volunteer
-National Honor Society
-etc"</p>
<p>I'd still rather choose someone who's good at these areas rather than choose someone just for the sake of diversity.</p>
<p>10 white people rule the world. The other ninety-nine million of 'em- poor and stupid- get crapped on daily just like you. But they get the added bonus of hearing yo **** day in day out.</p>
<p>jews have become more transparent. No longer are they considered non-white, and thus they are no longer non-majority.</p>
<p>Jews were very relgulated, to the point were Harvard and Princeton and Yale had offical policies in place to ensure the percentage of Jews was kept to a DEAD minimum.</p>
<p>Asians are now in their place. Asians should celebrate their cultural focus on education. I am an African American who lives in a housing project that is 80% Black and 20% latino, and let me say, African Americans and Latinos in general do not have the same zeal for education that Asian students have, and for that matter whites also. </p>
<p>But generally speaking, immigrants USUALLY try harder and thus are generally over represented in colleges. </p>
<p>Take for example Africans. They are perhaps 1.25% of the population. Yet they represent 6% of HYP. That is a multiplier of almost 5.</p>
<p>Asians represent 4.6% of the population, and about 17-18% of HYP. Which is about a multiplier of 4.</p>
<p>So you see, its the fact that there are soo many dedicated asians competing very favorablly against other americans that makes it sooo hard for asian applicants. But its not any other factor. Some say its the parents, the food, the history, whatver. Immigrants are generally upwardly mobile and place an emphasis on education. Jewish immigrants, African immigrants, Asian immigrants. When you come here you study hard. Its beutiful thing for america to get all these talented people, its just sad to see that some of them have to work EXTRAAAA hard to get into the best schools.</p>
<p>great post, Biz17.</p>
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In America or in the world?</p>
<p>"Asian-Americans comprise only 4 percent of the United States' population, yet they make up 20 percent of the Ivy League."</p>
<p>ABC News</p>
<p>"Take for example Africans. They are perhaps 1.25% of the population. Yet they represent 6% of HYP. That is a multiplier of almost 5."</p>
<ol>
<li>Source?</li>
<li>Africans? or Blacks? (note:african american=born there, moved here. african=born there, applied from there, go to college here. black = born here.)</li>
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<p>Blacks (aka African Americans) make up 12.9% of United States population, or 36.4 million
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_World_Factbook%5B/url%5D">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_World_Factbook</a></p>
<p>Princeton's freshman class has the highest percentage of black students in the Ivy League with 9.4 percent, just ahead of Harvard's 9.3 percent and Yale's 9.2 percent, the Journal of Blacks in Higher Education (JBHE) announced last week.</p>
<p>"But generally speaking, immigrants USUALLY try harder and thus are generally over represented in colleges. "</p>
<ol>
<li>Source?</li>
<li>According to CBS News, 57% of Mexican Immigrants are employed, compared with about 96% of general US Population.</li>
<li>How can you link trying harder to being more represented? You can go to any college admissions office and they will tell you that the reason minorities are over-represented is because they bring diversity. Not that they have better stats, because minorities (with exception to asians) often have significantly lower stats than to caucasians.</li>
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<p>rightwing, about the comment that "immigrants usually try harder" ---</p>
<p>i believe what the poster meant was that CULTURALLY, many immigrants (and their families) place an extremely high priority on education. as an asian who has lived in both america and asia (and attended public and private schools in both countries) i have to say that this is definitely true in much of asia (china, korea, japan, india, etc). i also know this is true in many jewish families. <em>historically</em>, education does not seem to be as high of a <em>cultural</em> priority for some other cultures.</p>
<p>i do not say this to offend any culture. this is simply what i have observed. and of course there are MANY exceptions to the generalizations i stated above (that's my disclaimer :))</p>
<p>I agree with m_c on most points.</p>
<p>Just remember that Asians (usually Japanese/Chinese/Koreans) are used as the "model minority", because they do not usually need a bump in admissions, and the non-URM majority can use them as a buffer against the assertion by other URMs that society needs AA policies, for instance.</p>
<p>It also causes in-fighting between URMs, which is often seen to benefit non-URMs. Divide and conquer, an always interesting tactic. Notice that other special admissions categories do not get the same kind of attention (e.g. legacies, in-state kids, special talents, geographically diverse applicants, developmentat kids, etc...). Why?</p>
<p>IB</p>
<p>because in main-stream society, many minorites often accuse [generally] WHITE people of being RACIST. People with no special talents do not sue their highschool for having a talent show. Minorities get VERY offended and sometimes jump the gun at 'racism' in society. So now, white males [and/or females] are supposed to sit idly and watch as racism occurs against them without being upset?</p>
<p>Affirmative Action damaged all the asians, infact I got rejected by all the privates I applied to which was 5.</p>
<p>Asians arent the underdogs...there the overdogs...I guess????</p>
<p>if things didn't seem as "equitable" for you because of the way you were born, you'd be concerned as well</p>
<p>welll see thats a predicament I mean asians are basically bred to be smart and so its like they are automatically going to do well in school. hmmm idk</p>
<p>i'm a native born filipino that moved here to america six years ago, and yes asians are underdogs, that in terms of school hardships :( i mentor high school students now because of that :)</p>
<p>p.s. i dont think education is competition, however, we should always take for granted the opportunities that come along the way, they give it to us for a reason, we adapt anyways, the harder things get the better they come!</p>
<p>haha yeah I was considering marking white because I'm a twinky! I have the asian study habits, but i'm big guy, don't wear glasses, dont have asian parents, don't play piano/violin (trumpet), do theater, etc. so yeah pretty much i was sub-par for an asian, but not a clone! GO TWINKIES!</p>