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<p>Love of Learning: Which Children Have It Most
By SAM ROBERTS
Published: January 24, 2007</p>

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Which children like school the most? Asians and girls and the children of parents who are married, make the most money, have advanced academic degrees and live in the suburbs of the Northeast.</p>

<p>Those are also likely to be the same students who say they are most interested in their schoolwork and often work hard in school.</p>

<p>Which are most likely to be enrolled in programs for gifted students? Children of better-educated parents. If one imagined a category combining the leading factors, it would be the daughters of married couples from the suburbs in the South whose parents’ income was above the poverty level. </p>

<p>Those are some of the findings in the Census Bureau’s analysis, “A Child’s Day,” released this month. The report surveyed parents nationwide to analyze benchmarks of well-being for 73 million children under 18 from a 2003 review of income and participation in various government assistance programs. </p>

<p>The report also measured characteristics of students enrolled in gifted programs. Among students younger than 12 enrolled in such programs, the largest group was non-Hispanic white. Among older students, Asians were the most numerous in gifted programs. </p>

<p>The biggest differential was linked to their parents’ level of educational achievement. The proportion of 12- to- 17-year-olds in gifted classes ranged from 10 percent of those whose parents had never completed high school to 45 percent of those whose parents had an advanced degree. </p>

<p>Many of the differentials in the report were predictable, on the basis of other surveys, and were relatively slight. Still, some stood out.</p>

<p>Among racial and ethnic groups, non-Hispanic white parents were most likely to say their children never like school, while Asian parents, followed by Hispanic parents, were most likely to say their children like it often. The children of parents who were separated, divorced or widowed were most likely to never like school. Children whose parent worked part-time generally like school most often. Those growing up in rural areas like it less often.</p>

<p>More parents of Asian and non-Hispanic white teenagers said their children had repeated a grade. The percentage who had ever been suspended — 13.4 percent overall — barely differed regardless of race, income and other variables.

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<p>Thought this was an interesting article, especially in context to the recent activity on CC with respect to Asian performance, stereotypes, AA (more anti- that pro-), and a desire by some to move away from a holistic private college admissions process that considers social, economic, political (as well as gender and ethnicity) factors to one more dependent on single-sitting tests.</p>

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and a desire by some to move away from a holistic private college admissions process that considers social, economic, political (as well as gender and ethnicity) factors to one more dependent on single-sitting tests.

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<p>I don't think anybody wants a single do-or-die test for college admissions. I think most people are for an evaluation system that values qualities like passion and leadership, but not when they're unbalanced to the point where anybody with an Asian name is red-flagged as a "textureless math grind" unless the applicant does extraordinary things to prove otherwise.</p>

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<p>Recently, there has been some suggestion on CC that college admissions rely more heavily on stats than on other aspects of a private college application.</p>

<p>I have an Asian name, but my experiences with the college admissions process at private colleges have been positive, even though I'm interested in science & math. I'd consider myself pretty average with respect to EC's, etc...but did well despite being part-East Asian and part-White.</p>

<p>The issue, at least to me, is that we consider highly regarded colleges as normal goods, while those that do not meet the criteria are seen as inferior goods, whether they are or not. Also, when discussing state schools, there are also issues where in-state residents have a built in advantage that in-staters see as an equitable trade-off because it costs them nothing, while those affected see it as an unfair practice--since it limits competition.</p>

<p>Everyone, myself included, believe that trade-offs are necessary until it hits us individually or with respect to our group affiliations. And yet, the normative banner is equity, while the positive reality is less equality (whether based on gender, ethnicity, income, etc...)</p>

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<p>if one looks at things like college data, especially schools outside of california, b/c california legislature kind of weakened the racial preference thing, 300 sat score points difference betweeen admitted whites/asians and admitted hispanics/blacks...i think this is discriminatory towards blacks though...anyhow...yea...</p>

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factors to one more dependent on *single-sitting tests. *

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<p>Completely, inaccurate and (purposely?) misleading statement!</p>

<p>YOU CAN TAKE THE STUPID TEST AS MANY TIMES AS YOU WANT!
The scores between sittings correlate quite closely to each other.</p>

<p>I don't have a problem with a holistic admissions process if used properly, but it gives admissions officers a free pass to give *too much * preference to blacks and other URM's. They have a strong self-interest in overadmitting blacks (more filler for their glossy brochures and a desire to avoid bad press)</p>

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<p>Goody, I'm an asian living with married parents in New York suburbs.</p>

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<p>sfgiants:</p>

<p>For socioeconomically challenged applicants/test takers taking the tests multiple times is sometimes difficult.</p>

<p>And, the holistic process at private schools weigh gender, test scores, EC's, ethnicity, legacy status, essays, etc...more so than public systems (i.e. UC system). That is sometimes public schools are more discriminatory because they use a modified admissions practice, which is not consistent.</p>

<p>I do have a problem with non-holistic admissions decision that are heavily biased towards high test scores, legacies, athletes, and in-state residents, as well as the lack of weight placed on other factors (like socioeconomic status, gender, ethnicity, race, recent immigration to the US, etc).</p>

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<p>most holistic processes weigh ethnicity alot...i mean alot....
edit: i mean being asian/white won;t hurt you but being a urm will definetly help you alottttttt...like 300+ sat pts and .4 boost on like unweighted gpa...look at college data for privates who use holistic approaches...</p>