Ass't attorney general blogs against gay U Mich SGA prez

[Nrdsb4]

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And now his blog is shut down…

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<p>My understanding is that it is not shut down, but may be viewed by invitation only.</p>

<p>I was able to see it by going to a link provided by a news article, some kind of google archive site or something.</p>

[curmudgeon]

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He is a '06 graduate of Ave Maria law school, a school most people have never even heard of.

It might be interesting for y’all to google it.</p>

[Redwing]

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Bad example here, but if I set up a blog in which I revealed anecdotes about working with my clients, and publicly identified them, and said not-nice things about them, it’s not the government’s place to prohibit me from doing so, but that doesn’t mean my employer can’t decide that what I’m saying reflects poorly on the business and therefore terminate me. Right?

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If I were a pro sports player and had a blog and said nasty things about Jews / gays / Catholics / people with blue eyes / whatever, my team owner could fire me, right?

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<p>Not a lawyer either, but I’m pretty sure that answer depends on whether or not the organization has an explicit HR social networking policy. I can say with absolute certainty most organizations without one in place will have one by year’s end.</p>

<p>In the absence of said policy, I’d fire first, and ask questions later.</p>

[mantori.suzuki]

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It might be interesting for y’all to google it.

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<p>Come here, I’m going to use this flashlight to show you where to put your smug condescension.</p>

[soozievt]

<p>I did not interpret any condescension in curm’s suggestion to google the law school. He was suggesting people may wish to google it as it is sort of an eye opener and puts some of this assistant attorney guy in context. I googled it at curm’s suggestion and it helped to understand where this guy was coming from. Curm isn’t saying you should have heard of this law school before (I hadn’t either) but that anyone might find it interesting to read more about it!</p>

[garland]

<p>Concurring with Soozie about Curmudgeon–he’s saying–wow, get a load of this!</p>

<p>(Mantori–Curm used to post her here a lot, but maybe not much since you’ve been here. Believe me, you’re on the same side here.)</p>

[sunnyflorida]

<p>Living in FL I am well aware of Ave Maria. I had no idea they had a Law School.

The mission of Ave Maria goes beyond robust academics. We present students with the opportunity to examine legal issues in the context of the moral foundations of the law and the Catholic intellectual tradition. Students benefit from the incorporation of insights gleaned from theologians, philosophers, and papal encyclicals – to mention but a few examples. Our students learn not only the law but also what undergirds it, finding the sources of law not just in politics, but also in history, human nature, and the moral order of the universe. We believe this approach enables students to more fully appreciate and better understand the development of our U.S. legal system, the human dignity of their clients, and law as a vocation.</p>

<p>Ave Maria School of Law offers an outstanding legal education in fidelity to the Catholic Faith as expressed through Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture, and the teaching authority of the Church. University legal education began in Catholic universities, and Catholic law schools have been the bearers of a tradition that safeguards the dignity of the human person and the common good. Ave Maria School of Law affirms Catholic legal education’s traditional emphasis on the only secure foundation for human freedom - the natural law written on the heart of every human being. We affirm the need for society to rediscover those human and moral truths that flow from the nature of the human person and that safeguard human freedom.

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[soozievt]

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a tradition that safeguards the dignity of the human person

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<p>Methinks he must have failed that exam.</p>

<p>As far as the rest, I wonder if they teach the law about separation of church and state in the practice of law.</p>

[BigG]

<p>Everybodies got a law school. </p>

<p>That is part of the problem.</p>

[sunnyflorida]

<p>PS, Ave Maria is in Florida because Tom Monaghan (retired founder of Dominos Pizza) could not accomplish his vision in MICHIGAN.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060301/NEWS/603010508/1017/POLITICS10[/url]--New”>http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060301/NEWS/603010508/1017/POLITICS10--New&lt;/a&gt; Florida Town Aims to ban Contraceptives (including OCPs. condoms)</p>

<p><a href=“http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2009/05/ave-maria-expose.html[/url]”>http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2009/05/ave-maria-expose.html&lt;/a&gt; Ave Maria Town, Roman Catholic and…unAmerican?</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/may/09/town-without-vote-now-and-forever/[/url]”>http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2009/may/09/town-without-vote-now-and-forever/&lt;/a&gt; A town without a vote, now and forever.</p>

[Nrdsb4]

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No lawyer here, but the First Amendment gives the guy the right to blog. It doesn’t mean that there are no consequences from that blogging, right?

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<p>From an AP article:</p>

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Cliff Sloan, a First Amendment expert with the New York-based Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom law firm, said public employers must be careful because the First Amendment says government can “make no law abridging the freedom of speech.” Still, judges and state officials have some discretion when comes to dealing with workers, he said.</p>

<p>“While they have a right to free speech, they don’t have a right to a public service job,” said Sloan, the former publisher of Slate magazine and a partner in Skadden, Arps’ Washington office. “Government can set some limits on the appropriate conduct and behavior of their employees.”

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[kelsmom]

<p>Michigan Attorney General Mike Cox defended an assistant’s constitutional right to wage an Internet campaign against an openly gay college student, even though he considers that employee a “bully.”</p>

<p>“Here in America, we have this thing called the First Amendment, which allows people to express what they think and engage in political and social speech,” Cox told Anderson Cooper on CNN’s “AC 360” on Wednesday night. “He’s clearly a bully … but is that protected under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution? Yes.”</p>

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<p>YES?!?!?! So, the kids who are cyber bullying are free to continue waging terror on their classmates? The adults who are holding kids accountable when their bullying leads other kids to feel so distraught that they commit suicide are infringing on free speech?</p>

<p>I was taught that while we have rights, we also have responsibilities.</p>

[soozievt]

<p>Apparently, Shirvell will face a disciplinary hearing when he returns to work…</p>

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The state’s attorney general, Mike Cox, said earlier this week that Mr. Shirvell had a right to express his opinions when he was not at work even though his actions were “offensive.” But on Friday, Mr. Cox’s office said that he decided to call a disciplinary hearing because more issues regarding Mr. Shirvell’s conduct had come to light in recent days.

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<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/us/politics/02michigan.html[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/02/us/politics/02michigan.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

[curmudgeon]

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Come here, I’m going to use this flashlight to show you where to put your smug condescension

If you are seriously offended (which I doubt) , and if we ever meet, well…you can give it your best shot. lol </p>

<p>And yeah. I stumbled upon the Domino’s pizza man’s connection, too. The law school’s website was an eye-opener to me. Thought other thinking people might feel the same way. No biggie, mantori (and I still doubt you were offended). </p>

<p>At least one blogger has questions about the initial hiring of this fella coming from the Ann Arbor campus of such a reputable school and it’s connection to Monaghan. He went as far as suggesting it could have had to do with currying favor with the pizza man himself. (And , if that wasn’t enough pizza for ya, he tells a story about our Ass AG (abb. for Assistant Attorney General ;)) buddy launching a protest against a pizza place for having a rainbow sticker on the window. The pizza conspiracy grows. )</p>

[curmudgeon]

<p>soozie and garland, I had to google Ave Maria, too and I thought I knew just about every law school in the country. Hence the suggestion for others to do the same.</p>

<p>I have no idea what I said that would have been offensive to anybody. lol That’s why I think m.s wasn’t being serious. I least I hope not. Heck, I usually have to try hard to tick people off. ;)</p>

<p>Nice seeing y’all.</p>

[curmudgeon]

<p>Ah-hah! I’m now 100 % certain m.s. was having just having fun on the 'net.

@mantori

Ave Maria, really? Hmm, let’s look at their website. The text on their home page begins</p>

<p>Quote:
Founded in fidelity to Christ and His Church in response to the call of Vatican II for greater lay witness in contemporary society…
An evangelical Catholic, then. Kind of like, just to pick an example at random, Mel Gibson. No red flags there.

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[michone]

<p>I wonder whose idea it was to have Shirvell to take a personal leave of absence - his or Cox? I bet Cox told Shirvell to take the personal leave because Cox can’t discipline him if he is on a personal leave.</p>

[garland]

<p>I wouldn’t buy pizza from dominoes even back when it was just one of the local pizza joints in Ann Arbor. Even then, it was clear Monaghan was a nutcase.</p>

[Silvermoonlock]

<p>No one mentionted Cox just a had failed run for governor of Michigan? I feel like we just dodged a bullet! lol</p>

[mimimomx3]

<p>We have to remember this thing we have called the Constitution:</p>

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I’m a Christian citizen exercising my First Amendment rights," Shirvell told CNN’s Anderson Cooper. "

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<p>If it crosses the line, of course the SGA president should pursue every legal option. I’m a libertarian conservative, and I always find it odd how liberals preach tolerance…for themselves. I don’t agree with AG’s politics, but I absolutely agree with his right to voice them. The SGA president shouldn’t be afraid of a little controversy- that’s why he’s involved in politics, I assume.</p>