SB1062-Oh dear Arizona!

Colleges and Universities A-Z Arizona State University
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<p>Oh the woes of living in the most backward state in the country, the penultimate comment in the attached link is unfortunately true of ASU. Some of the most conservative students in the country!</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.theonion.com/articles/provisions-of-arizonas-proposed-antigay-law,35369/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview%3A1%3ADefault”>http://www.theonion.com/articles/provisions-of-arizonas-proposed-antigay-law,35369/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview%3A1%3ADefault</a></p>

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<p>Somehow the passage of a arguably anti-gay bill by the Arizona Legislature implies that ASU students are among the most conservative in the country?!?</p>

<p>If you are so concerned about the state of affairs in Arizona, you should definitely put a similar thread on the University of Arizona forum!</p>

<p>Can’t wait for the post explaining why this would be true for ASU students but not UA students.</p>

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<p>It is actually a joke piece from the Onion!, but it does capture the concensus of opinion in Arizona (that ASU accepts anyone who applies!), I don’t like the politics either, but it is meant to be an amusing satirical article!</p>

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<p>I have searched College Confidential for the past three years as my two oldest children have searched for and found their desired undergraduate institutions. I have never posted but I felt I needed to pipe in here. </p>

<p>While it is true that The Onion is a satirical piece, I find it interesting that ASU is so frequently the butt of Englishman’s jokes and humor. What is even stranger, Englishman, is that you claim to be either a member of the ASU board or adjunct professor at the school. Likewise, you have made it abundantly clear that your child chose the far preferable University of Arizona. </p>

<p>Well, as an OOS parent, please know that my second born has been accepted to both institutions and is thrilled. He has also received generous scholarships to both. We are so excited for him to explore both universities as well as a number of other excellent schools in other parts of the country. While those of you in Arizona may view ASU as the school that accepts all, those of us in other parts of the country view both ASU and UA as schools that are not terribly selective. There isn’t a big distinction between the two from the OOS perspective. Having said that and as a mother of a child who may choose one of these institutions for his undergraduate education, please know that they are BOTH still highly desirable schools if the fit is correct for the child. We know many students from our area who attend both schools and have received extraordinary educations while having a wonderful college experience. </p>

<p>The admissions policies at both schools tell me that these institutions are willing to give kids a chance at college. For those who didn’t get it together in high school, this may be there chance. My son is ready for college and is excited to go. He succeeded in high school and, I believe, he will succeed in college where ever that may be. </p>

<p>So, rather than cutting down and bashing ASU, I would hope that those who post on this forum would offer constructive information for the students and families for whom ASU is the “perfect fit”. </p>

<p>As for the passage of the recent legislation, please know that as an OOS parent, it is troubling to think of sending a child to a place that holds so much hostility for so many. It is the only state in the US where I carry my youngest child’s passport when we travel (she was adopted from Central America but is a US citizen). Now this. I suspect I am not alone. Still, if one of these schools is right for my son, we will fully support his decision to attend. </p>

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<p>Vetoed:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/26/politics/arizona-brewer-bill/”>Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoes SB 1062, controversial anti-gay bill - CNNPolitics;

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<p>^
That’s better, Arizona! </p>

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<p>Don’t you just love AZ, love my state!. </p>

<p>To the point 23 State Republican Senators, ALL of them, voted in favor of the bill, Sad!</p>

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<p>During our first visit to ASU campus, I had a long conversation with a student I met in line at the food court ( making the point that she was NOT a sugarcoating university rep.) She was international, from UAE, and had transferred to ASU from a conservative Texas university which she found a very poor fit, on the advice of friends at ASU who assured her the climate there was far more welcoming and tolerant to people of all stripes.Which is how she found it. My daughter’s experience has been similar. She is an ordinary white kid, so unlikely to find herself the target of racial or other bigotry. But she is very sensitive to these things in all their forms, and especially anti-gay sentiments. If the environment at ASU was at all like that, she would have been on the plane home a long time ago. But she,like the young woman from UAE, has found ASU tolerant and open, the misbehavior of those frat boys on MLK Day notwithstanding. Though AA enrollment at ASU is low, my daughter reports that the 3 AA students on her floor are respected and well-liked by all. ASU has one of the highest, if not the highest, enrollment of National Hispanic Scholars in the country, with 55 freshmen in 2012.The university has a variety of outreach programs for Native Americans, Hispanics and first generation students,with scholarships and other university support.</p>

<p>It’s important to distinguish between the activities of a state’s government, and the sentiments of its people. One might naturally think they coincide, but that is not always so. There is rampant gerrymandering. Votes of more conservative rural residents often disproportionately shape the make-up of government. If one resides in an urban area, one may seldom encounter the people who vote those ****** into office.</p>

<p>In my state, WI, the gov. and legislators have spent the past several years systematically destroying everything that is fine and decent and that made this a desirable place to live. Our few hard-working aisle-crossers have become fatigued and disillusioned and are retiring. Reading the news, outsiders might reasonably conclude that
the people of WI are all hateful, backward, idiots. I assure you we are not. We are angry, embarrassed, frustrated. Government policies do matter and do shape the lives of the population. But things are not as simple as they appear on the surface. Here we are looking forward to better days.</p>

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<p>Personally, if I were running a business, I’d want anyone and everyone to come and buy stuff from me so I can pay rent and buy food. I shouldn’t care about who they are (as long as they aren’t a serial killer or something) as long as I’m making money and staying in business.</p>

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<p>Glad to hear students at ASU are tolerant and welcoming.</p>

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<p>Very well put both 2KidsOOS and celeste.</p>

<p>I also have a daughter as ASU who would be very uncomfortable if the atmosphere she experienced on campus were to be one of intolerance but that hasn’t been the case. She is also white but her group of friends in high school included openly gay students and students of other races and ethnic backgrounds.</p>

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<p>@Celesteroberts Well said, I agree completely, AZ may well be similar to WI, perhaps worse!</p>

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<p>WI has two groups of people with opposing viewpoints, conservatives and liberals. Liberals are centered in Madison and Milwaukee.</p>

<p>My niece goes to UW-M and loves it. Stays out of the flying political banter.</p>

<p>I grew up in WI and am horrified about the situation Bishop Molina of the Diocese of Madison with people who identify themselves as Roman Catholics but are not following Church teachings. </p>

<p>I have nothing against gay people having a civil union and civil rights. </p>

<p>True Christians try their best to love. </p>

<p>Hate and violence happen all over the world; it is a shame with our country’s resources, that hate and violence are here too.</p>

<p>I was a graduate student at Texas A & M in the early 80’s when there were gay students fighting for the right to have a gay student organization, and that successfully passed through the courts. I worked with several gay men who were all very nice people, although one had a drug problem that was uncovered during my shift with missing control substance medication (he was on speed, and stole Valium to come down).</p>

<p>Madison has a group “Freedom From Religion” that has filed lawsuits or threatened when they think religion goes too far (in AL they wrote a letter threatening to file a legal objection to a Christian dorm at Troy University, but had to withdraw when they learned that the dorm backers were given the same deal as anyone else; 100% occupancy - so student demand was high).</p>

<p>Not living in AZ, I do not know what is going on across the state and on campuses. A student that graduated with my DD was a National Merit Hispanic Scholar - she was awarded 4 scholarships at Univ of Arizona and loves it there; looking at her you would think she was white (long blonde hair; fair completion; her mother had a Hispanic parent, so D is 1/4 Hispanic). </p>

<p>Not sure if previous post talking about UA was talking about univ of AZ or Univ of Alabama. UA means Univ of AL. as web site is ua.edu and arizona.edu for Univ of AZ.</p>

<p>My DD1 is at UAB and loves it (is in honors, nursing, band, ROTC; scholarship student); DD2 is going to UA in the fall to study civil eng (also will be in honors and band, and scholarship student).</p>

<p>We live in AL and found what we want here. UA does have some great scholarships for high stat OOS students, and students/parents that come visit at Capstone Scholars Day are very impressed with everything they see and learn about UA. I saw on CC where a student was initially mad at her parents for not forking out $20K a year for her to study at Yale; they had her take the UA scholarships - and the student found UA was a great place. Some parents can afford or are willing to pay $$$ for an ivy or other more exclusive school. I saw where parents folded with their DD’s tears, that she would ONLY be happy at _____.</p>

<p>My nephew went to a small private school in the Milwaukee area and got a great education in business, partial athletic scholarship. It was a great fit for him. Got a great job right out of school, during a career fair on campus.</p>

<p>We all are somewhat influenced by the news reports and various circumstances and experiences.</p>

<p>Visiting campuses and keeping eyes and ears open is a good way to see what really is going on at that particular campus at that particular time.</p>

<p>Good luck on determining the best fit for college to attend.</p>

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<p>Just to clarify, my previous post was referring to the University of Arizona (also commonly referred to as UA), the school so often touted by Englishman as being somehow superior to Arizona State. My point is that the Univ. of Arizona is in the same state as ASU, in the jurisdiction of the same state legislature that is the subject of this thread, and that it cannot be assumed that the student body (or faculty or staff for that matter) of either ASU or of the Univ. of Arizona has the same political bent as the state legislature. </p>