ASU Barretts Honors vs Private Lib Arts College - Help Please

<p>Just a few (and quickly written) reflections from an academic (in history; Oxford grad and former faculty member). My pre-med d. has been accepted at 5 terrific schools. Her preference is to attend a small, supportive LAC with serious academics, but also with some balance. Though she did not consider ASU (principally due to size), Barrett has offered generous funding. So we had a look this week. </p>

<p>We attended a stimulating freshmen class w/ considerable discussion: the students were bright, engaging and v. friendly. The other visiting students we met had all been accepted at Ivys/public Ivys/first-rank LACs, but were drawn to look at B. by the generous funding and by the combination of a small college set within a large university. Remarkably, given the solid intellectual climate, there was not a hint of snobbery or elitism among the B. students or faculty. (Not so elsewhere!) The dress and atmosphere were casual, relaxed and rather laid-back, yet serious. The instruction was excellent; class had 12 students + visitors, and the B. ‘Fellow’ (as B.'s academics seem to be called) handled the discussion with considerable skill, insight and balance. The new facilities (opening in July) were impressive (perhaps the best dorm rooms at any public university in America). B. students are given remarkable (almost unheard of outside a small number of wealthy elite institutions) support by the wider University and by the B. staff itself; they also have equally remarkable and diverse opportunities (research, internships, etc.) in the wider Phoenix community + attractive summer programs overseas (limited to B. students). Though we found little evidence of typical ‘grade inflation,’ the acceptance rate of B. graduates into grad/law/med/business schools must rank up there with the best in America. </p>

<p>Phoenix is a new city and has all the advantages and disadvantages of that. Culture (with an uppercase ‘C’), though perhaps not as obvious as in Boston, NY, etc., is readily available. There is no lack of both professional and college sports teams, if that is what one is looking for. Lots of sunshine; if you like four well-defined seasons, look elsewhere. The summers can be brutally hot (though dry), but most B. students are gone then and, in any case, every building/room in town is air conditioned. (Think of NE/midwestern winters and then reverse the time of year.) Most B. students seem to live on/near the campus, and Tempe has some of the charms of a traditional college town. Arizona itself is stunningly beautiful and really geographically diverse: deserts, mountains, grasslands, all w/i driving range. Hiking, cycling, mountain climbing and anything outdoors (including rowing on nearby Tempe Lake) are all easily available and can be experienced throughout the year. The people are friendly and helpful; many seem to have moved to Phoenix from the midwest and have retained all the advantages of their upbringing. </p>

<p>During our visit, there was much discussion of state/university budget restrictions/cutbacks, but we came away convinced that B. will weather the current storm reasonably well, w/o serious disruption/change. ASU’s President (and many others) want B. to succeed. </p>

<p>For my daughter (still undecided, with more college visits to make before 1 May), B. offers a surprisingly strong alternative, at much lower cost. If one is looking for an academically strong college set in a small, quiet rural environment, this is not the place. Likewise, if a school’s elite reputation is of primary concern, look elsewhere. Equally, if one is committed to the pursuit of a v. specific major (e.g., film studies) then the advantages of attending, say, a USC, cannot be denied. Finally, if money is not a consideration, then (as they say) the world’s your osyter. But, in all other ways, B. is impressive and should be considered seriously by able and motivated students, and parents alike. Clearly, it is not necessary to spend $50,000+/year to obtain a seriously good education in America with lots of individual attention, small classes, grad school opportunities, etc., and B. is proof of that. Hope this is helpful.</p>

<p>^ great post, very helpful. thanks</p>

<p>When my son visited Barrett at ASU he sat in on an Honor’s seminar class and was given a tour of campus. He was very impressed. He ended up at USC but it was a tough choice. Frankly I think it was the heat of Phoenix that was the tie breaker. He grew up in the Rocky Mountains and we spend the summers up in the high country. Heat is not a thing he is used to.</p>

<p>He is now a sophomore electrical/ computer engineer major at USC and I have ho problem recommending that program. His experience has been very very good and the academics are very challenging. Son says there are serious parties at “the row” but there are few engineers going since they are buried in work LOL.</p>

<p>The child of another cc’er was choosing recently between the ASU Barrett’s program and a private U. This article in the NYT <a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/us/17university.html?_r=1&th&emc=th[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/17/us/17university.html?_r=1&th&emc=th&lt;/a&gt; raised concern about what might be available at ASU, and they chose the private U. The article states that they plan to keep the scholarship for NMF’s intact, but the overall scope of cost cutting was a concern to them.</p>

<p>^ yes, very much a concern,
the question remains how Barretts will be treated with all the budget slashing.</p>

<p>I think that Barrett is likely to be among the more protected programs at ASU:</p>

<p>1) because of the endowment.
2) because Barrett raises the profile of the university overall, making a difference for retention statistics and for overall SAT averages of incoming first year students
3) the students at Barrett are fairly well-distributed across a number of majors/departments that in themselves are well-regarded at ASU, such as the Business School, the Journalism School, Life Sciences, the Melikian Center for Language Study, and more
4) the Lorraine Frank Office of Scholarship Advisement is based at Barrett and is responsible for ASU having so many students each year who get Fulbrights, as well as Boren Scholarships, Marshall Fellowships, etc
5) The overwhelming majority of Arizona’s Flynn Scholars – a program designed to keep Arizona’s top high school grads in state by giving them additional advising, summer funding, stipends, etc – all choose ASU. Last year only one Flynn Scholar in all of Arizona chose the U of A</p>

<p>^ This is encouraging.
Anybody else have any information on how Barrett’s will fare under budget cuts?</p>

<p>Just a correction on statistics of 20 Flinn’s 11 chose ASU last year and 9 chose UofA. This year’s class is looking like a 15-5 split in favor of Barrett. The administration at ASU has a huge interest in keeping this pattern as well as maintaining the high number of NMF’s, and national hispanics, and national achievements. ASU still has a lot of money for the honors college, it might seem like building a $200 million dorm would impact, but the dorm was privately funded by the constructor, and is being run as if it is an apartment run partially through ASU, until it effectively pays for itself.</p>

<p>Barrett has really become the crown jewel at ASU, with Mark Jacobs as dean. President Crow will cut funding for many other things before considering cutting anything from Barrett. The college also has a high level of support and relationships with the business community in Phoenix, funding is pretty safe for Barrett.</p>

<p>This is very reassuring!
What is the admission process like for OOS students? How can one gauge how likely it is to be accepted? If the average ACT is 29, how confident can one feel about a 31 ACT ande 4.0 GPA, good ecs?</p>

<p>^^ Sorry to get the number of Flinn scholars who chose U of A wrong. tbsnmbc is right that Michael Crow will find other stuff to cut before cutting Barrett. The new Barrett campus (not just dorms) will also be including meeting rooms. I think one aspect of the new campus will be to provide a locus for student groups to further concentrate their efforts. A lot of great student-led efforts have come out of Barrett - service projects, undergrad magazines, study abroad groups.</p>