<p>^Only thing I'm concerned about is my grades because they are not perfect, however, I'm hoping that since I go to a school that is nationally recognized and sends like 6 kids to Ptown every year that they understand that 2 A's and 3 B's (although my school doesn't give A's and B's but I'm giving a rough equivalent) at my school are basically equivalent to top 2% in any public, or private for that matter, in America.</p>
<p>Private, D1, very selective (average SAT mid-1200s, about 50% admission rate).</p>
<p>His is a non-revenue sport. He got some pure athletic offers and some athletic + merit (academic) aid; no need-based. He ended up taking an athletic + academic offer. </p>
<p>He did not apply to any EA because he was still being recruited by a number of schools during and after the early signing period, which coincided with EA deadlines. He didn't sign his NLI until spring.</p>
<p>knve - thanks for info. congrats on your son's achievements.</p>
<p>thanks. athletic recruiting is a long, strange trip.</p>
<p>can 2nd that. my d's in the process now......a senior, revenue sport. seems so lengthy a process sometimes........letters started coming 4 years ago.</p>
<p>it's a lot like buying a car, complete with high-pressure salesmen and suddenly changing prices.</p>
<p>meateter, do your grades match your SATs?</p>
<p>knve,</p>
<p>is the athletic, full or partial? are most athletic schollys full ?........... or are they permitted to be partial ...............so that merit aid can be used to complete/enhance the package?</p>
<p>Depends on the sport, athletic scholarships are hardly ever full, though.</p>
<p>condor --</p>
<p>my son's scholarship is partial athletic, partial academic. total amounts to about 20 percent of tuition, room & board. he has an opportunity to earn more athletic $$ in the coming years depending on performance, and he must maintain a certain GPA to keep his academic scholarship.</p>
<p>full athletic scholarships are generally found only in those sports in which the NCAA allows the school to fund a number equal to the number of roster spots -- 13 in men's basketball, 85 in men's football. but then the numbers drop off. for example, the NCAA allows a D1 school to fund 12.6 full scholarships in men's lacrosse, 11.7 in baseball, even though a lacrosse or baseball roster includes about 35 players. and most schools don't even fund the full number of scholarships allowed; my son's college has about half.</p>
<p>condor (continued)</p>
<p>but that's not to say that a school couldn't combine athletic and academic and/or need-based aid to come up with a full ride. that's why grades are so important for athletes. (i can't stress this enough!)</p>
<p>thanks for the info. very good to know.</p>
<p>so drinking is not a bad idea on these visits? I have heard horror stories before that an athlete and the person on the official visit both got really wasted and the athlete was kicked off the team at yale while the official visit kid got blacklisted by the university</p>
<p>i can't see why you would drink on these visits when you're trying to get into the school....</p>
<p>this is sick. so some jocks who party and cause trouble all thruout high school, get lousy grades, are admitted to ivies just because they have natural genetic abilities? this needs to be changed.</p>
<p>So some kids with wealthy parents who got decent grades in high school are admitted to Ivies just because their parents have enough cash to get them in?</p>
<p>Life's not fair; I'm a jock who partied, got lousy grades, and was admitted to schools because of my natural genetic abilities. +1 for me.</p>
<p>Grouping all athletes in a catagory of "some jocks who cause trouble thruout high school" is simply incongruous. In the sport I am involved with, for example, recruits score at an average of 50 points higher on the SAT at Princeton, then the average student admitted.</p>
<p>I have a 2350 on the SAT with fairly good grades and am athleticly recruited. Yes some may cause trouble and not work 100 percent in school, but i would rather have fun and party than spend hours typing an assignment just for an added percentage point, or joining ****ty clubs which the only reason you are involved in is to just to look good on some college application. </p>
<p>Many people play the not fair card when talking about athletics. Anyone involved in a sport would know that, simply, Athletes aren't born excelling at their sport.People who play sports competetively would know this. They work at it for hours.
Also, On the other side I could argue that you are intelligent because of your natural genetic ability. If you would care to argue the validity of that point then I could bring up the fact that you have more money and thus a better schooling then the average american.</p>
<p>Finally, if you think that athletes are in fact less intellectually astute than you are, think this: You have two routes in your high school life to get into the college of your dreams, if you are a fairly smart or gifted person.
You can actively excell at and play a sport for fun, not obsess over the difference between an A and an A+, and go out on weekends and get into the college of your choice.
Or you could join a club that has no meaning, hurt your social life with obsessive study habits, maintain a flawless GPA and get a perfect the SAT and still not get into the college of your choice.</p>
<p>What path seems more intelligent?</p>
<p>namaste - do not be so judgemental and stereotypical of all atheletes. While some athletes do "party and cause trouble all thruout high school," there are a number of us who are truly hard working individuals with the good grades and test scores to prove it. It sickens me when students complain about how athletes have it so easy, and how athletes do not deserve to be admitted to Ivy league schools. I scored a 2390 on the SAT, have nearly a 4.0 GPA, and participate in a wide range of extracirricular activities in addition to the sport for which I am being recruited. I rarely party, and am not some wild and crazy jock who causes trouble. My mention of drinking was merely in regard to the stories I have heard from other recruited athletes, and not because I plan to go crazy on a visit. Obviously, any athlete with common sense would not do so. In order to even reach the level where an athlete is being recruited, they must put in hundreds of hours of hard work and be extremely dedicated to their sport. I highly doubt that you can even begin to appreciate the discipline and hard work that these students have put into their respective sports in addition to their schoolwork. Do not stereotype "jocks" for their athletic abilities and supposed lack of academic talent when you obviously have no idea to whom you are speaking. I am sick of stereotypes that place those who participate in sports in a "dumb" catagory. The vast majority of the students who I have encountered who are being recruited in any sport for ivy league schools have GPA's and SAT's that are well within the range of these schools. Don't criticize and make assumptions about who you are talking to and what you are talking about when it is so blatantly obvious that you have no idea. Excelling academically and in a sport is not mutually exclusive. Don't act so bitter about the fact that sports can help a student get into a selective college - it is a fact of life, and I do not doubt that if you had the chance, you would gladly take it.</p>
<p>matt630 - I agree with your points on grades and the fact that athletes are not necessarily stupid. However, your point about sports and partying being a better choice than studying are not necessarily correct. Sports may be helpful in getting into college, but good grades in combination with sports seem much better to me. After all, in freshma year of high school, absolutely no one is gauranteed that they will be recruited for their respective sport, yet through hard work, one can assure that they still have the grades in the correct range. Otherwise, good points.</p>
<p>Has any one been recruited for fencing? There are NCAA Div 1 and Div 111 schools that are "looking" for good fencers; this includes the Ivies and non
Ivies. Do all these schools contact the athletes, or do athletes contact them?</p>
<p>matt630 - that was hands down the best post ever on these forums. </p>
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You can actively excell at and play a sport for fun, not obsess over the difference between an A and an A+, and go out on weekends and get into the college of your choice.
Or you could join a club that has no meaning, hurt your social life with obsessive study habits, maintain a flawless GPA and get a perfect the SAT and still not get into the college of your choice.</p>
<p>What path seems more intelligent?
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<p>Re-quoted for emphasis.</p>