attention: China is a threat to global stability!!

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<p>The 21st century obsession of Chinese empire building</p>

<p>China's drive to be an imperialist nation started in 1949, when it has occupied by force Tibet and Eastern Turkistan. Later, after a few years, it absorbed Manchuria and Mongolia as gifts from Stalin. However, that has not stopped the appetite of China.</p>

<p>In 1962, China invaded India. China occupies about 10 per cent of the State of Jammu and Kashmir. In 1964, China invaded the USSR, in 1979 Vietnam. It has already taken over the Spartley Island, a potentially rich island with petroleum and natural gas, which belongs to Vietnam. Now it is preparing for the invasion of Taiwan.</p>

<p>In 1949, Kuomintang forces of Chiang-Kei-Seik defeated by Mao-Tse-Tung invaded Formosa, and massacred the local population, who are not ethnic Chinese but a mixed population of Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, and the indigenous proto-Malays. Machu Empire of China has ruled Taiwan only for eight years between 1887 and 1895. Otherwise, it was never a part of China. However, now China claims that Formosa, renamed as
Taiwan, is an inalienable part of China and China wants to reclaim it as soon as possible. History cannot support that Chinese claim.</p>

<p>History of Taiwan and China's claim</p>

<p>China has no continuous history as a nation state. Before 1279, only the central part of what is China today, was Chinese, i.e., inhabited by the Chin or Han Chinese tribe. China is still called in Japan Chugoku or the Middle Kingdom. During 1279 to 1368, China was a part of the Mongolian Empire, and it ceased to exist as a sovereign state.</p>

<p>From 1368 to 1644, China had the Ming Dynasty of the Chin or Han Chinese tribe. At that time, Taiwan was occupied first by the Dutch and then by the Portuguese. For a brief period from 1645 to 1662, a half-Japanese general of the Ming Dynasty, Tei Seiko, after being driven from China by the invading Manchus from the north, occupied Taiwan. However, soon Portuguese regained control of the island , which they had renamed as Formosa, or the beautiful island.</p>

<p>During the Qing Dynasty of the Machu Emperors (1644-1912), the Manchurians, not the Han Chinese, ruled the land. The main argument of Sun Yat Sen, who had proclaimed China as a republic by driving out the Manchu Emperor China Pu Yi in 1912 was that Pei Yui was not a Chinese but a Machu.</p>

<p>The Manchurian government of China managed Taiwan for just that brief period of time‹from 1887, when it reluctantly adopted the island as one of its provinces (Sheng), to 1895, when it gladly ceded it to Japan. Despite earlier attempts by the Dutch and Spaniards to colonize parts of the island, it was regarded during the Ming Dynasty of China as barbarous, disease-infested, and dangerous, as it was inhabited by ferocious head hunting tribes. When the Machu Empire ceded Taiwan to Japan in 1895, China had forfeited its rights to the island permanently or until the signing of another international treaty.</p>

<p>Defeated in its war with France, Machu Empire gave up its control over Vietnam (Annam) in 1885; defeated in its war with Japan, it allowed Korea to become a sovereign, rather than tributary nation in 1895. Not once has Communist China claimed either Vietnam or Korea as part of its territory. Then how can Tiawan be an inalienable part of China, when effectively Taiwan was never a part of China, except for eight years from 1887 to 1895?</p>

<p>The present-day Beijing government claims that the 1943 Cairo Declaration and the 1945 Potsdam Declaration recognised China's sovereignty over Taiwan. That is not factually correct. Cairo Declaration adds nothing new on the question of Chinese territorial sovereignty. Furthermore, both Cairo and Potsdam declarations were not valid international treaty but to quote Justice Radha Binod Pal, a "victor's justice", where Japan never took any part. The subsequent 1951 San Francisco Peace Treaty in which Japan formally renounced "all right, title and claim to Formosa" was also not a valid international treaty because Japan was then still under the occupation of the United States and could not take part as a sovereign nation, as required by any international treaty.</p>

<p>The People's Republic of China, which came into being in 1949, was at war with the United Nations in 1951 over Korea and wasn't invited to sign the San Francisco treaty; nor was the Republic of China or Kuomintang for its inability to represent China. Accordingly, to follow the UN principle of self-determination, Taiwan belongs only to Taiwanese people; it cannot be a part of China according to the laws regarding international treaty until Japan now renounces its entire claim in a fresh international treaty as a sovereign nation. That is the crux of the problem between China and Japan. That is the exact reason for the current animosity of China towards Japan, which has so far refused to accept Taiwan as a part of China, but recognises the independence of the Taiwanese people.</p>

<p>Are Taiwanese Chinese or not?</p>

<p>From the anthropological point of view, only 14 per cent of the 22 million people of Taiwan today are pure Chinese who came along with Chiang-Kei-Seik in 1949. The rest are either the indigenous Taiwanese related to the Malay races or a mixture of Chinese, Japanese, Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch. During the time of the Ming Dynasty (1368 to 1644) large-scale migration from China took place but only Chinese men came to Taiwan as the migrations of the females to Taiwan, a barbarian area considered by the Han Chinese, were forbidden by both the Ming and the Manchu emperors of China. Thus, the majority was the mixture of Chinese men and local proto-Malay women, not pure Chinese in any way.</p>

<p>Japan during its rule from 1895 to 1945 has promoted interracial mixture of Japanese and the local people as a means to wipe out separate Taiwanese identity, the Kuomintang forces, after their defeat in 1949, came to Taiwan along with thousands of Mainland Chinese. They committed large-scale massacres of the local people during 1950s and imposed a draconian dictatorial rule over Taiwan until very recently. These minority Kuomintang Chinese are the most vocal for the
unification of Taiwan with China. The majority of local population, only after they had democracy a few years ago, have started asserting their rights very recently as a separate nationality from the Chinese and now calling for an independent status for Taiwan, which China resents.</p>

<p>The Kuomintang Chinese and China have the identical opinion that Taiwan is an inalienable part of China, which the local people dismiss as a part of the China's imperialistic policy, which has already absorbed both Tibet and Eastern Turkistan (in Chinese called Xingkiang), both independent countries until 1949, but were colonised by China.</p>

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<p>Analysis</p>

<p>The behaviour of the United Nations and major countries of the world towards Taiwan, Tibet and Eastern Turkistan is shameful, to say the least. The right of self-rule, a fundamental human right and the aspirations of millions of people of Taiwan, Tibet and Eastern Turkistan are sacrificed to the imperialist ambition of China. Although anti-colonialism is part of the UN charter, the UN disregards these lofty principles just to satisfy Chinese ego and considers Taiwan a province of China which it never was.</p>

<p>If the behaviour of the Japanese Imperial Army 60 years ago is the determining factor to deny Japan the menbership of the UN Security Council, how can China, which itself denies basic human rights for its millions of people and still maintains ruthless colonial rules over Tibet and wants to incorporate Taiwan within its colonies, be a member of the UN Security Council since 1972 and a leading member of the UN Human Rights Commission?</p>

<p>The current demonstrations in China against Japan are smoke-screens to hide the growing anger and frustrations of the Chinese people against the economic reform policy of China implemented since 1989. As a result of this policy, although China has become the dearest country for the business community of the Western world, who are taking advantage of the very low wages and inhuman working conditions of the Chinese labourers, the growing unemployment, inequality between different regions and people with different status, closure of state industries, severe reductions of welfare measures are causing increasing resentments among the Chinese people. In 1962, China invaded India to divert the attention of its people from the immense sufferings caused by the famines in 1960-1962 in which at least 10 million Chinese perished. In the same way, now China is trying to redirect the anger of its people against Japan and Taiwan.</p>

<p>The foreign policy of Indian Congress Party towards China is both unethical and cowardice. Indian Congress has endorsed Chinese colonialism over Tibet and Eastern Turkistan. Congress accepts Taiwan as an integral part of the expanding Chinese empire. China has invaded India in 1962 and still occupies about 10 per cent of Jammu & Kashmir; Congress has decided to forfeit it. China since 1963 has supplied every type of weapons, including nuclear weapons and missiles, to Pakistan. China was about to invade India again during the 1971 Indo-Pak war but was deterred only by the warning from the Soviet Union. China has opposed India on every international matter. Chinese map of the world does not include Jammu & Kashmir and vast parts of northeastern India as parts of India even today. China is opposed to the membership of India in the UN Security Council. Chinese exports to India are causing unemployment and closure of small manufacturing units in India. Chinese exports are also driving out Indian exports from the world market. However, Congress Party policy-makers still consider China a "strategic partner".</p>

<p>Any other country in a similar position as India is, would have cut off all links with China, banned Chinese imports, would have recognised Taiwan as an independent country; would supply nuclear weapons and missiles to both Taiwan and Vietnam to be used against China, would have opposed the membership of China both in the UN and particularly in the UN Security Council, and would have opposed China on every intermational matters. However, Congress has taken no action at all but extended the hands of friendship towards China.</p>

<p>Although, the US since 1949 has supported the separate status of Taiwan, it is not clear how long it will have the desire to protect the people of Taiwan. The US has never supported the aspirations of the local Taiwanese but only the murderous Kuomintang regime in Taiwan. US has always proclaimed the "one-China policy", which implies subjugation of the Taiwanese by China in course of time. Kuomintang party now wants incorporation of Taiwan to China. The growing business interests of the Kuomintang Chinese in China have turned them as the closest allies of the so-called communist regime in China. Recently the leaders of the Kuomintang Chinese of Taiwan were received with great honour and friendship by the Prime Minister and the president of China.</p>

<p>The US will not support independence of Taiwan and has warned Taiwanese leaders against the declaration of independence of Taiwan, which would definitely invite the invasion of China and will test the resolve of the US. Abnormally low wages, lack of any trade union rights or even any human rights, and artificially low exchang rate of China, have made China the most attractive destination for the American companies to manufacture and export the final products back to the US to maximise profit by minimising cost of productions,</p>

<p>Big corporations in the western world control the mass media. For example, Wall Mart, the biggest retail chain stores in the US, which receives most of its supplies from China, is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns some of the most important newspapers and television channels in the US, UK, Australia, India, and East Asia. The result is a continuous pro-Chinese propaganda in the media, which is blaming the democratically elected Taiwanese leaders for provoking China by not accepting the Chinese colonialism. When the interests and ambitions of the Kuomintang Chinese and China have now merged, it will not take long for the US to discard Taiwan to its fate in order to please China and to protect the commercial interests of the American companies in China.</p>

<p>source: <a href="http://www.india-defence.com/reports/203%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.india-defence.com/reports/203&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>How is this a threat? I just skimmed over the whole thing. It merely talks about the interests of China and its political agendas.</p>

<p>In short, it describes a few/here there invasions, which it points forcefully, that no one recogonized. For very good reason however, because the influence of China still wasn't promient for its actions. </p>

<p>However, the major question arises, how is this a threat to global stability?</p>

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<p>it's a threat for sure just as the US is a threat to world peace.</p>

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<p>Based on the amount of Democrats on this board, I can't tell if you're serious or not. </p>

<p>It's a double-edged sword the way those words go :)</p>

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How is this a threat?

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If China's economy enters recession/depression, China's political leaders will need to distract the public. A nice little war to reclaim Taiwan would be the perfect distraction. If it happens, Taiwan won't go down without a fight and the U.S. would be forced to join Taiwan. Millions would die including plenty of Americans.</p>

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<p>Those are not realistic plans.</p>

<p>Even China doesn't know what to do with Taiwan. However, they are attempting all dipomatic ways to solve this. Entering with war with Taiwan will never happen.</p>

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<p>reclaim Taiwan? There's nothing to reclaim. I think you have to get your facts right. Taiwan is and has been a Chinese territory since the beginning. It's the U.S. thatz pushing for independence</p>

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<p>The article above points that out, that United States is the few countries that recogonizes Taiwan. However, due to economic reasons, (whoever said money means everything is an absolute genius) it looks like United States is shifting from that ideology.</p>

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reclaim Taiwan? There's nothing to reclaim. I think you have to get your facts right.

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That comment might as well have been written by the Chinese government. This is precisely why China poses such a threat. China ignores the obvious. Taiwan has its own government, own army, own economy, and operates in every respect as does any other country. If it walks like a separate country, talks like a separate country, then it is a separate country even if the Chinese think otherwise. You might as well say that America still belongs to the indians and it is just a matter of time before re-unification takes place with the indians taking over. </p>

<p>I would say there is a 50-50 chance that China will initiate war to take over Taiwan. How do I reach this conclusion? China is rapidly increasing its military even though it has no offensive military enemies. China recently passed an anti-secession law permitting it to use force if Taiwan declares independence.</p>

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This summer, Gen. Zhu Chenghu, dean of China's National Defense University, raised the subject of weapons of mass destruction, which China rarely mentions, in connection with Taiwan. Should US forces aid Taiwan in a war, he told bewildered US visitors, "Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds … of cities will be destroyed by Chinese" nuclear weapons.

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<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/CSM/story?id=1320302%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://abcnews.go.com/International/CSM/story?id=1320302&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

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<p>"Later, after a few years, it absorbed Manchuria and Mongolia as gifts from Stalin. However, that has not stopped the appetite of China."</p>

<p>Are you kidding me??? Look at a map, Mongolia is its own country. </p>

<p>"During the Qing Dynasty of the Machu Emperors (1644-1912), the Manchurians, not the Han Chinese, ruled the land. The main argument of Sun Yat Sen, who had proclaimed China as a republic by driving out the Manchu Emperor China Pu Yi in 1912 was that Pei Yui was not a Chinese but a Machu."</p>

<p>I am Manchurian, I am a direct descendant of Kangxi and a relative of Puyi, so believe me when I say that Manchurians consider themselves to be Chinese. They are recognized today as an ethic minority group of China. I hold the Chinese passport, I marked Chinese on my college applications. and I can promise you that Manchuria was never, ever a GIFT FROM STALIN!</p>

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<p>I LOVE CHINA!</p>

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<p>Get your facts straight stupid. </p>

<p>I'm Chinese, and I lived in China for about 6-7 years of my life, I've never heard of people there talking about "imperialistic designs" etc. </p>

<p>Ask around most of the world and they will say that the United States is the threat to global stability(which I also don't think is true).</p>

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<p>razorsharp! hey buddy! How nice to see you again on a China debate thread again</p>

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<p>Russia should never give up any land to anyone. Russia would never give up anything to China, they won't even give up Checniya.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_144395.php%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.gateway2russia.com/st/art_144395.php&lt;/a>
Well this makes me mad.</p>

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razorsharp! hey buddy! How nice to see you again on a China debate thread again

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Thanks. Very kind of you to say so. I'm glad your back too. I must say I have a love/hate relationship with China. If China could just become democratic and like Taiwan, I would view China the same way the miners viewed Sutter's Mill in 1849.</p>

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If China's economy enters recession/depression, China's political leaders will need to distract the public. A nice little war to reclaim Taiwan would be the perfect distraction. If it happens, Taiwan won't go down without a fight and the U.S. would be forced to join Taiwan. Millions would die including plenty of Americans.

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<p>Only America and Europe are allowed to invade countries to protect self-interest. Any other country who does that is upsetting global stability, especially those upstart Asians. Think they can turn over centuries worth of Euro-aggression.</p>

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Only America and Europe are allowed to invade countries to protect self-interest.

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Absolutely! I still don't understand why American unilaterally and without any justification or provocation attacked Japan in WWII. We had the chance to be ruled by the Emperor of Japan but for some strange reason wanted to select our own leaders through democracy. Countries are always better off being run by dictators instead of the people. Just look at how bad Japan is now under democracy instead of being ruled by a dictator. There is no justice in this world.</p>

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Absolutely! I still don't understand why American unilaterally and without any justification or provocation attacked Japan in WWII. We had the chance to be ruled by the Emperor of Japan but for some strange reason wanted to select our own leaders through democracy. Countries are always better off being run by dictators instead of the people. Just look at how bad Japan is now under democracy instead of being ruled by a dictator. There is no justice in this world.

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<p>I know! Just look at two of the regions they have meddled in the most: the Middle East and Africa. Name me two places that are more harmonious and peaceful.</p>

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<p>Russia did so in WWII with Eastern Europe; China overtook Tibet in 1957; India did so to Bangladesh during the independence war in the early 1980s; Tanzania did so to Uganda in order to prevent rebellions spreading into their country.
No, America and Europe are not the only countries to invade in the name of self-interest.</p>