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<p>Check mate.</p>
<p>*Tortfeasor/Tosh, I get you two mixed up, disregard if one of you wasn't hitherto oblivious to the fact that school matters.</p>
<p>I love you, WB.</p>
<p>School does matter, but don’t over-estimate it’s importance. Big 4 recruit at smaller and less well known schools too, but only the cream of the crop. At highly ranked schools there is some leeway with GPA, but a 3.2 is still the minimum requirement. </p>
<p>What taxguy and all mean is that the Big 4 recruit at lower ranked schools, unlike ibanks or consulting firms like BCG and Bain. What’s not true is that “GPA matters regardless of school”.</p>
<p>I hope Whistle never gets banned. He’s fun to have around.</p>
<p>I think the relevant point here is that a “top” school for Big 4 recruitment may not necessarily be the same as a “top” school in the CC conventional wisdom.</p>
<p>GPA is Rook?</p>
<p>I never said school doesn’t matter. I’m not even in the accounting debate. </p>
<p>I disagree that lower ranked schools are easier. I believe that the difference in GPA acceptability has to do with school name and not the rigors of the program. </p>
<p>Some morons think that if they went to a lower ranked school they would have a higher GPA. I hold that their flawed reasoning is evidence that they got the GPA they deserve. The fact that they got into the higher ranked school was a fluke, or mere evidence of their legacy status.</p>
<p>I disagree. I’m taking accounting courses (and have before) at a lower ranked school, and the classes are much easier and my grades have been all As. At my school, I sometimes struggled to get a B in accounting courses.</p>
<p>I’m also inclined to agree with Nick…it’s easier to shine at easier schools…that’s why GPA is discounted accordingly.</p>
<p>I also think it’s been reiterated, mostly by Dawgie, that you should go to high ranked schools where they do a lot of recruiting. Just because your friend’s roommate’s brother got a job out of a Tier 3 school with just a BS in Accy doesn’t mean that’s the best method…</p>
<p>^MightyNick, I think that usually it depends more on which professors you have, but not the school you go to. For instance, I had some easy professors who explained everything, gave excellent notes, and reviewed before each exam. Thus, most students did well, and they did not even need to study a book. However, on the other hand, I had professors who just assigned reading, homework, and did not explain the material deeply. Subsequently, only a couple of students got As because they studied everything by themselves.
Still, I agree that in most top schools professors are strict, and you have to study mostly by yourself. </p>
<p>I had a one good professor who told me that each professor suppose to put his/her 50%, and other 50% suppose to come from a student. But, most of the times, it is like 10% vs 90%(from a student).</p>
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<p>“3.3 in our school was equivalent to a 3.7 in a lower ranked state school.” </p>
<p>It makes no sense. I guess it is a personal opinion of the employer who said that. But in the reality it does not work that way. It is the same to say that if you got a 2.0 GPA in engineering–then it is an equivalent to 4.0 GPA in business. (I bet you think that way Whistle.)</p>
<p>Uhhh, the professors aren’t relevant. The issue is that at a lower school the average student is much worse so unless the average grade is far lower, a given student would do far better there than some place else. </p>
<p>A 2.0 in engineering is pretty much the equivalent to a 3.0 in business…I have a 3.9+ and am pretty lazy as a business major(no point to working harder). GPA is a filter, the number isn’t important, it helps employers compare candidates and filter out the ones that are both dumb and lazy. If that means a 2.5 in Engineering and a 3.2 for UT Accounting majors and a 3.7 for Podunk U accounting majors, it really doesn’t matter. Loyola Law School tacked on an extra .3 points or so to the transcripts of all their recent graduates. It’s just a number, doesn’t make anybody smarter because their class ranks didn’t change and the caliber of the student body didn’t change…</p>
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<p>I think it does depend on the school you go to. A lot. The reason I say this is because at top schools, no matter how good or bad your professor is, there is a grade distribution. At my school for example, a certain percentage (40%) are required to get below an A-. This 40% would usually get an A at a lower ranked school (I include myself in this 40%), but because the quality of the student body is that much higher, someone has to get a score in the B range. I had an amazing cost accounting teacher and a very unhelpful financial accounting teacher. Regardless, I ended up getting the same grades in both classes (B). On the other hand, when I took courses over the summer and in my freshman year when I was at a lower ranked state school, my accounting professors sucked and were considered “mean graders” by most of my peers. Regardless of their reputation, I aced those courses. Why? Because a majority of my peers scored lower than I did on exams. </p>
<p>And I am not the only one that agrees to this. I have another friend at my school who transferred from a lower ranked school. He claims that he had a 4.0 at his old school, but struggles to maintain a 3.2 right now. Either way, you are entitled to your own opinion. </p>
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<p>The personal opinion of a recruiter is what ultimately matters right? I mean, if they are deciding who to interview, then their opinion is important. The benefit of going to a top school is that there are so many recruiters to choose from, and firms like the Big 4 recruit heavily. So even students with lower GPA’s have a shot, because being at the top at a highly ranked school is quite difficult. And employers know that.</p>
<p>How many times do I have to repeat this?</p>
<p>Everyone knows school name matters, the bottom line is that lower ranked schools get recruited at too.</p>
<p>If school name didnt matter, rankings would be pointless.</p>
<p>^Good point FrenchBoy</p>
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<p>You must have a pretty IQ to say something like that. Under a 3.0 in a business major, especially something besides accounting, and the HR girls will laugh you out of the room. If they even invite you in for an interview, they’ll probably spend the whole time biting their lip to hold back a smug smirk. After the interview, they’ll certainly tell everyone how stupid you are, at least from stories I’ve heard. Even with accounting, your accounting courses are about 25% of your credits and the rest is filler, so you really don’t have an excuse.</p>
<p>The thing about business too is that the first two years is like sampling the easiest courses possible from the course catalog. Engineering has so many barriers with the terrible, foreign-born professors teaching the worst possible classes for someone who’s bad at teaching to teach, high-IQ/low-GPA students who are bad at studying, taking 18 or more credits, and of course computer programming which is worse than death.</p>
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<p>What’s wrong with that analogy, Tortfeasor? I’d probably make it a 2.0 in engineering and a 3.89 in business, since 4.0s are mad hard to get, but it’s not a bad analogy.</p>
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<p>Depends on the school. There are schools that are pretty easy to get into that aren’t particularly easy to earn Strong GPAs in. And then there are schools that are slightly easier to get into that are vastly easier to perform in.</p>
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<p>You’ve only repeated it like 4 or 5 times, I’d start complaining if they don’t get it after around 15 times.</p>
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<p>Cue taxguy’s wall of text with disingenuous, sanctimonious, self-aggrandizing sentences starting with “Folks…”</p>
<p>That last line Whistleblower, pure genius hahahahahaha!</p>
<p>^Yeah. I would recommend him to become a comedy writer/artist because the only thing that people do, when they read his posts, is laugh. Lol…especially, when he is talking about a female HR employees. 
By the way, did you notice how he named this thread lol. When I saw it, I was falling from my chair.</p>
<p>Whistleblower can you make a thread exclusively devoted to your thoughts on HR reps and related subjects. I like your posts and I would seriously love to hear what you have to say about it!</p>