<p>Johnnydr87, it is no stretch -- academically, the two schools are most comparable -- matter of fact, because Colgate does not "grade inflate," its graduates tend to get into better and more rigorous graduate schools. True statement. Also, it depends on which school at Cornell. Obviously Colgate can't compete with the engineers; however, Colgate's biological sciences program is among the most respected in the East if not the country. The CALS & CAS courses at Cornell are no better or worse than Colgate's same courses. Matter of fact, Colgate often rejects students that Cornell accepts. Because Colgate has the smaller enrollment, it's a tougher school to get into. As for rivalry between the schools, go to a Colgate-Cornell hockey game and you'll see how intense it is. Academically too -- and Colgate could be the harder school because it doesn't "grade inflate." That is no stretch, johnnydr -- except, perhaps, in your imagination.</p>
<p>It must be my imagination!</p>
<p>Cornell, as a whole, is a better school academically and in the caliber of its students.</p>
<p>Colgate rejects Cornell students? I don't deny that it's true (on occasion), but it's a little disingenuous to portray Colgate as the more selective of the two. I'm sure there are many, many schools that have rejected Cornell students. In the case of Cornell-Colgate, there is a better chance that a student was rejected from Cornell over Colgate--not vice versa.</p>
<p>Cornell
SAT Reasoning Verbal: 630 - 720 98%
SAT Reasoning Math: 660 - 760 98%
ACT Composite: 28 - 32 18%</p>
<p>Colgate
SAT Reasoning Verbal: 630 - 710 86%
SAT Reasoning Math: 650 - 720 86%
ACT Composite: 29 - 32 14%</p>
<p>The ACT regions are fairly similar, but Cornell has higher SATs.</p>
<p>According to collegeboard.com, Cornell and Colgate have the same selectivity. If that's the case, Cornell has more advanced students apply, because the middle 50% SATs are higher. </p>
<p>Additionally, Cornell requires SAT subject tests--Colgate does not.</p>
<p>In your post you used a lot of vague generalities--no hard statistics. I don't deny the verity of your statements; I'd just like to see some evidence to back it up. </p>
<p>For example: Colgate students tend to get into more rigorous schools? ..... I don't deny it, but could you please give me a link?</p>
<p>I'm not trying to rain on your parade. After all, I didn't even bother to apply to Cornell. However, I would think it's safe to say that Cornell overall has higher academic standards and higher quality students....</p>
<p>A close relative of mine is a tenured professor at Cornell. Surprisingly, he advised me to have my D attend Colgate if she was accepted. He feel that the small class size and rigorous workload far exceed what he has seen at Cornell. He feels too many Cornell professors are too involved in research and grad students, and too many teaching assistants, and too large class sizes. Cornell for grad school is the way to go. Obviously, we urged our D to attend Colgate for the above reasons.</p>
<p>Collegeparent wrote--its graduates tend to get into better and more rigorous graduate schools.}}</p>
<p>No offense intended, but not to Med School they dont. Look at the colleges represented by accepted students at Harvard, Columbia, Cornell, U of Chicago, Dartmouth Med etc. Almost zip Colgate but a great number Cornell etc. grads are admitted.</p>
<p>Would be curious, roadless, of the number of applicants from each school -- Cornell has a student population of 13,500, Colgate 2,700 -- vis a vis the acceptance rates. Don't know what the figures are for the bio/bioeng/premed at each school, but looking at the differences in enrollment as about 5 to 1, of course there'd be a greater number of Cornell students represented. With the candidates from Cornell coming primarily from three (possibly four) of their colleges, each of which has more a student body larger than the total Colgate one, and then looking at the number of bio graduates out of Colgate, then do the math. If you want to make such comparisons on behalf of Cornell, roadless, go up against Stanford.</p>
<p>As a PS, this thread has been hijacked from the OP's original question: Colgate kids are probably healthier, more athletic and better looking on average than Cornell -- if you go by percentage and not actual numbers of the current student enrollment.</p>
<p>{{but looking at the differences in enrollment as about 5 to 1}}</p>
<p>By your reasoning, Colgate should have 1 acceptance for every 5 of Cornells-- not even close. Sorry. Im not criticizing Colgate, just showing you the facts</p>
<p>Again, roadless -- my reasoning said that you can't take it from a 5 to 1 -- look at the post again -- you have to take the figures from the Colgate bio/bioeng/premed grads/yr versus the same from the three Cornell schools that offer the same courses/yr. Once you've got that data, then you have "the facts" -- Have fun finding the figures and then post 'em --</p>
<p>{{you have to take the figures from the Colgate bio/bioeng/premed grads/yr versus the same from the three Cornell schools that offer the same}}</p>
<p>This is silly. It doesnt matter how many pre med grads there are from each college. You stated Colgate grads get into the best grad schools and Colgate's biological sciences program is among the most respected in the east if not the country. By looking at the med school acceptances, youll see Colgate in not represented in the slightest at any of the top med schools.</p>
<p>End it!</p>
<p>edit....i'm a nice guy.....edit</p>
<p>If you look at the SAT stats that johnny posted the two schools have fairly similiar ranges. cornell's math SAT is higher but that is probably because of the good engineering at Cornell. They are both good schools and ARE comparable</p>
<p>{{If you look at the SAT stats that johnny posted the two schools have fairly similiar ranges.}}</p>
<p>You have to compare colleges to colleges. Back out the SATs of the students who matriculated to the School of Hotel Administration and College of Agricultural and Life Sciences and there will be a vast difference in scores.</p>
<p>Colgate is a great college and in my opinion equal to Cornell in the education it provides in the liberal arts. Dont take the post personally.</p>