<p>now it too bad i have to choose 6 of these excellent schools to apply to (my school has a quota of 6 privates)</p>
<p>I applied to Chicagfo, Penn, Northwestern and Duke myself. But whatever you do, be sure to have a safety.</p>
<p>Rochester as well for economics... Not as prestigious as Chicago (Top 40 compared to top 15(?), but US News rankings slaughters the school b/c of its low yield). And econ is in the top 10 and it is small like Chicago, no TA's...</p>
<p>The only ranking that it beats chicago on is faculty output, which is placed at third.</p>
<p>this thread makes me sad as a future math/econ major having chosen pomona over uchicago and wesleyan....but thats okay,ill get over it, i can cross register at cmc and id rather be in california anyways. :)</p>
<p>a quota of six privates? what are they trying to do with that, handicap their students? (i applied to 12 privates)</p>
<p>Wharton School of Business at the University of Pennsylvania is the number one business school in America. </p>
<p>Its economics is amazing.</p>
<p>Yea 6 privates, unlimited publics. I'm drawing my safeties from the pubs.</p>
<p>Wharton is amazing, except they dont really teach economics outside of the core micro/macro classes unless you sign up for it. I'm really torn between Wharton and Amherst for ED. Looks like it may come down to the campus visit.</p>
<p>I would apply to the following private schools:
Amherst, Swarthmore or Williams (chose one)</p>
<p>Brown, Cornell or Duke (chose one)</p>
<p>Chicago</p>
<p>Harvard, MIT, Princeton or Stanford (chose one)</p>
<p>Northwestern</p>
<p>Penn</p>
<p>And to the following Publics:
University of California-Berkeley
University of Michigan-Ann Arbor
University of Wisconsin-Madison</p>
<p>Interesting how things change. When I attended Cornell, Economics was not considered one of its stronger departments. That was of course long ago...</p>
<p>yay, Johns Hopkins has a good econ department.. :) but no one seems to notice that :(</p>
<p>All is relative. At top universities like Cornell, where many departments are considered top 5 or top 10, if a department is not ranked among the top 10, it simply isn't considered to be that good by the astudents at that university. But in absolute terms, Cornell has always had a very respected Econ program.</p>
<p>with a quota of six privates, you cant apply to HYPSM, and then Penn and Columbia. which is retarded. shooting the craps more at the crapshoot provides better chances.</p>
<p>drop65--what HS do you attend?</p>
<p>Eureka, I finally figured out how the work the NSF search engine/report generator!</p>
<p>Here is the data, fresh from the most recent NSF WebCASPAR database. This includes all PhDs in Economics awarded over the past 10 years (1994-2003) listed by the undergrad college attended by each student. I've included the top 100 undergrad producers of future PhDs over that time frame, with the raw number for each school. </p>
<p>Note: To compare different size schools on this list, you will need to divide the number next to each school by the total undergrad enrollment for that school. This will give you a per capita production of future Econ PhDs. and allow you to compare, for example, Berkeley to U Chicago, despite their wildly different sizes by coming up with the number of Econ PhDs per 100 undergrads.</p>
<p>Swarthmore, producing 57 Econ PhDs, with an average enrollment of under 1400 undergrads is far and away the largest per capita producer of future Econ. PhDs. If it were 4.5 times larger (the size of Harvard), that would extrapolate to over 250 Econ Phds. Of course, if it were larger, its educational quality would probably suffer and it might not produce PhDs as prolifically as it does.</p>
<p>Just guessing, I'd say that Harvard, Yale, or MIT is probably #2 but you'll have to look up the undergrad enrollments and do the math.</p>
<p>Year: 2003-1994
Academic Discipline: Economics<br>
Number of Doctorate Recipients by Baccalaureate Institution </p>
<p>1 Harvard University 115
2 University of California-Berkeley 104
3 Stanford University 70
4 Cornell University, All Campuses 67
5 Yale University 63
6 University of Wisconsin-Madison 63
7 University of Pennsylvania 63
8 University of Michigan at Ann Arbor 62
9 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 58
10 Swarthmore College 57
11 Princeton University 53
12 University of Maryland at College Park 46
13 Brigham Young University, Main Campus 42
14 University of Chicago 41
15 University of California-Davis 41
16 University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign 40
17 University of Texas at Austin 39
18 Michigan State University 39
19 Georgetown University 37
20 University of Virginia, Main Campus 36
21 Texas A&M University Main Campus 36
22 Williams College 35
23 University of Massachusetts at Amherst 35
24 Columbia University in the City of New York 35
25 University of Colorado at Boulder 34
26 University of California-Los Angeles 34
27 Northwestern Univ 34
28 Miami University, All Campuses 34
29 College of William and Mary 34
30 University of Florida 33
31 University of Notre Dame 31
32 University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill 31
33 University of California-San Diego 31
34 Pennsylvania State U, Main Campus 31
35 Carleton College 31
36 University of Minnesota - Twin Cities 30
37 Duke University 29
38 Brown University 29
39 Boston University 29
40 Ohio State University, Main Campus 28
41 Oberlin College 28
42 Indiana University at Bloomington 27
43 Colorado State University 27
44 Washington University 25
45 University of California-Santa Cruz 25
46 Rutgers the State Univ of NJ New Brunswick 25
47 George Washington University 25
48 Grinnell College 24
49 Wellesley College 22
50 University of Kansas, Main Campus 22
51 University of Georgia 21
52 University of Delaware 21
53 University of California-Santa Barbara 21
54 Purdue University, Main Campus 21
55 Dartmouth College 21
56 American University 21
57 University of Washington - Seattle 20
58 University of Nebraska at Lincoln 20
59 University of Missouri, Columbia 20
60 New York University 20
61 Wesleyan University 19
62 University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee 19
63 SUNY at Binghamton 19
64 Johns Hopkins University 19
65 George Mason University 19
66 University of Tennessee at Knoxville 18
67 Tufts University 18
68 Trinity University 18
69 Southern Illinois University-Carbondale 18
70 Macalester College 18
71 Boston College 18
72 Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State Univ 17
73 University of South Carolina at Columbia 17
74 University of Kentucky 17
75 University of Iowa 17
76 University of Arizona 17
77 Iowa State University 17
78 Florida State University 17
79 University of California-Irvine 16
80 Smith College 16
81 Kansas State University 16
82 Auburn University, Main Campus 16
83 Washington State University 15
84 Rice University 15
85 Pomona College 15
86 Arizona State University Main 15
87 University of Utah 14
88 Temple University 14
89 Oklahoma State University, All Campuses 14
90 Wake Forest University 13
91 University of Southern California 13
92 University of Rochester 13
93 University of California-Riverside 13
94 Colgate University 13
95 California State University-Sacramento 13
96 Utah State University 12
97 University of South Florida 12
98 University of Oregon 12
99 University of New Mexico, All Campuses 12
100 University of Connecticut 12</p>
<p>OK, here's the top-25 and ties. Production of PhDs in Economics from 1994-2003, per 1000 undergrads of enrollment. Enrollment figures are from the 2003-2004 Common Data Set info provided to USNEWS by each school:</p>
<p>1 Swarthmore College 38
2 Harvard University 17
3 Williams College 17
4 Carleton College 16
5 Grinnell College 16
6 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 14
7 Yale University 12
8 Princeton University 11
9 Stanford University 10
10 Oberlin College 10
11 Pomona College 10
12 Macalester College 10
13 Wellesley College 10
14 University of Chicago 9
15 Amherst College 7
16 Wesleyan University 7
17 Bowdoin College 7
18 University of Pennsylvania 6
19 Smith College 6
20 College of William and Mary 6
21 Georgetown University 6
22 Dartmouth College 5
23 Brown University 5
24 Cornell University, All Campuses 5
25 Columbia University in the City of New York 5
26 Duke University 5</p>
<p>but does it mean anything? producin a whole lot of phds doesnt necessary mean the program is good</p>
<p>I agree. A great department does not necessarily produce many PhDs. Many top Econ programs send many of their students to industry and eventually, on to get MBAs or Law degrees. Northwestern, Columbia and Michigan are such programs.</p>
<p>Furthermore, at Harvard, 15% of the students major in Economics. At Swarthmore, 11% major in Economics. At Chicago, Yale and Stanford, 10% major in Economics. Those programs will obviously produce more Econ PhDs as a function of the total student population than a university like Cornell or Michigan, where only 5% of the students major in Economics.</p>
<p>Hunter College High School</p>
<p>Try and dual Economics with another major. Example would be going to Wharton and majoring in econ and finance. Since you know that the finance program is among the top in nation. Your going to get a good job. And having that econ degree makes you do even better. </p>
<p>When I look at them, I look at the schools with the top u-grad business, and go from there.</p>
<p>Schools that have large engineering colleges, architecture schools, conservatories, or other programs of significant size that have specialized missions will obviously produce a smaller percentage of future arts& sciences PhDs than you'd find if you just looked at the arts & sciences programs of these colleges alone. That does not make them worse places to go if you want to pursue an arts & sciences degree, or eventually a phd in an arts & sciences subject. It only means that they have a student body with some diverse career interests.</p>
<p>That's why I've concluded the % metric is of lower utility, unless you're truly comparing homogeneous student bodies.</p>
<p>Additionally, students at some of the very top schools have some career opportunities in business with just their bachelor's degree that are not so widely available to others. And some are more focused on professional education/careers. That does not mean that the education there in, eg, economics is any worse then at another school whose students on average have slightly different career goals. To me, anyway.</p>