<p>Before I ask about my options, please keep in mind this is about survival. </p>
<p>I went to another college years ago. Took a summer real estate class for my job. Failed it due to lack of time. Tried again and failed again. Now, years later I returned to a different school to complete my GE and attempt to transfer to a Cal State to study Computer Engineering. I've completed 40 units and currently have a 3.5 GPA. All I have now is CALC 1 & 2 left before I can start applying to transfer. This summer however, I thought (SO DUMB!!) that I could fit that Real Estate class in from my past school via a 6 week crash course while having 4 jobs. Yet again, I have failed this Real Estate class for the THIRD time. </p>
<p>I guess my question is, have I totally ruined my future?
Will this class ruin the GPA I've earned at my current school even know it's so not relevent to the GE requirements, or my major?
Do I have any options left?</p>
<p>Whenever you apply to any accredited college or university in the US you are obliged to provide official transcripts of all coursework that you have completed at other colleges and universities. Period. There is no way you can magically make these bad grades go away.</p>
<p>Talk to the folks at your current school. Find out if you can make that F vanish if you re-take the course and actually take the time to study for the exams. Then decide whether or not it is worth your time.</p>
<p>And please remember, you are no longer young and stupid, so don’t act that way anymore. Don’t take classes when you don’t have the time to dedicate to them! If you are at one of the CCCs, sit down with a transfer counselor and find out whether you will need to write an essay explaining that you have finally accepted that Real Estate is not for you to submit with your transfer application.</p>
<p>Wishing you all the best.</p>
<p>A 3.5 is a very solid GPA for transferring to the CSU system from the California Community College system.</p>
<p>So even with the failed real estate class, your GPA is probably going to be enough to get into most CSUs. You will almost 100% get into whatever your local service area CSU (which is usually the CSU that is closest to the CCC you took the MOST credits at). So that is your back-up safety.</p>
<p>Also, check to see if the real estate is even a transferrable class–when calculating your GPA you do NOT include non-CSU transferrable classes… such as pre-Algebra, Algebra I & II and other courses… it is possible the real estate class is vocational. I don’t know, but do figure it out because you will be given admission into CSU based on your self-provided “provisional” GPA (which then gets verified after admission when they ASK for your transcripts).</p>
<p>The deal is that if you self-report a too-low GPA because you didn’t hand-calculate out (strip out) the non-transfer classes and get rejected by the CSU for a too-low GPA then it is tough luck. Of course on the flip side, one can not make up a higher GPA because then the transcripts catch up. So make sure the real estate class can be stripped out of the self-reported GPA for the CSU application before doing that (again, I don’t know if the RE class qualifies or not).</p>
<p>While I get the sense that CSUs don’t do much more than rank GPAs toss them into different buckets (local CCC transfer, non-local but California CCC transfer, OOS transfer), and then just start offering based on the # quotas… meaning the admissions process is pretty impersonal and #s driven… there is a place to make a brief statement on the CSU application. You can simply explain the 3 Fs in real estate. Be clear, don’t whine, put it into perspective. Whether or not CSUs even bother to take it into account is questionable, but on the off chance your application meets a human who gets to decide on marginal cases, then you have that bit clearly explained.</p>
<p>However, a 3.5 should get you into at least a half-dozen or more CSUs and definitely your local CSU. SLO is a reach. SJSU would be tough unless you are local.</p>
<p>"happy"momof1- First of all, I can honestly say I don’t know a grown adult who would call someone they don’t know “young and dumb.” You have no idea what my situation is- I was a child of an abduction until I was 6, a child of drug addicts, EXTREEM abuse, and a run away at age 15. I am trying my best. What you call “young and dumb” I call making the decisions I needed to pay rent and not be left out on the streets. It’s never been about lack of A’s or failed tests, that’s never been the problem.
At no point in my question did I ask if I could “magically make the grades go away.” And FYI, annikasorrensen is right, with CSU there is no option for an essey explination.</p>
<p>annikasorrensen on the other hand, thank you for the advise! It seems as if you know our UC system well. I will for sure ask my councler about my options, we are actually really close. I was just dying to know as soon as I can-before she’s working again for the semester.
Since it is the exact same class I failed, do you will it hurt my GPA as 1 F, or 3? Either way, this F will make my 3.5 gpa non-existant. Do you know if deans are known to allow someone take a class like this for a 4th time? Maybe the teachers will help- like i said it’s never been about the lack of studying, I ace EVERY test even in RE, but since they’ve always been online, time always get’s the best of me.
And about transfering, yes SLO is dreamy, but I know it’s out of reach. I actually have hoping for SDSU. I am however, in Orange County. Most of my friends that have transfered into SDSU went to Grossmont college, the one that is closest to SDSU. Do you think moving to SD to go to Grossmont will help my chances? I’ve been looking into the area and the rent is cheaper, basically I’ll do anything. The closest CSU to me here is Long Beach and although they have an awesome Engineering program, they didn’t let ANY transfers into the school last year, and I heard they will be doing the same this year. I am really worried.</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
<p>Don’t move. Your “local CSU” is not based on where you live currently, so moving does NOT help. Your “local CSU” is based on which CCC you earned the <em>most</em> credits. Just count up your credits at each CCC and see which one you earned the most credits at. You said you have 40 credits. Let’s assume you have 35 credits from your current CCC–you’d then need 36 credits from Grossmont…so going there won’t work in time for Fall 2010 application season.</p>
<p>Also ask your current CCC if you can get grade forgiveness on that class (might not qualify, though, because often has to be a class from several years ago and you recently retook it). Still, it is worth looking into if only to eliminate that option.</p>
<p>Re: Real Estate class and “time gets the best of you” – do you run out of time taking the tests, or are you procrastinating and screwing up the class for other reasons? Assuming the latter, yes, I think you could attempt a 4th try–so appeal the dean at that other school to let you take it again. Be sure to say why you believe you can pass it this time (taking less units, more time to study, planning to hire a tutor, etc.) And then hire a tutor and PASS it this time!</p>
<p>Re: Long Beach taking no Engineering students: Find out from your counselor if there are any other CSUs that would consider you as “local” for transfer purposes. For example. I believe students in Santa Clara County are considered “local” for both SJSU and SFSU. Maybe there is another campus you qualify for as local.</p>
<p>I think your best bet is retaking that real estate course–you need to appeal the dean for permission asap. Unfortunately, the retake won’t show up on your GPA until December/January and you need to self report your actual GPA in October when you apply. (It will help, however, should you have to wait a year and reapply… at least that mark will be off your record by the Fall 2011 application season.)</p>
<p>Btw - what is your GPA with the real estate class? It still may be high enough for CSU transfer.</p>
<p>Did you find out if the real estate course is NON-transferable for CSUs? If so, that takes care of the problem in terms of GPA impact entirely.</p>
<p>Yes I looked into it, it does transfer to CSU, but not to a UC. 
If I am sucessfull in a petition to retake the class, and get an A, will that replace all 3 Fs? Can the Fs no longer hurt me, or can the “attempted credits” come back to haunt me at a CSU too? I currently have 43 (all of which may, or may not transfer) completed units at my current school, however because this particular major is pretty hard, I still have 46 more units before I have completed prereqs. (Yet my councler said that I could apply after calc 1 & 2 is done?) I should have moved this summer huh?
Thanks for the advise again, just knowing that there may be some hope still to be able to retake that RE class makes throwing down another $800.00 on this semester much less stressfull. I was starting to question if I even should.</p>
<p>43 completed units plus another 46 for prereqs = 89 units. That should not disqualify you for transfer to a CSU, they don’t seem to care about unit ceilings. If all units are from CCCs, then UCs generally don’t care either.</p>
<p>Your attempted unit max can come into play for maxing out of federal financial aid (usually termed “progress toward degree” completion), but even there you won’t generally hit that until you are at 150% of what it normally takes to get a full bachelors degree. </p>
<p>If you get an A (or B or C) - that new grade should wipe out the Fs GPA-wise. They still count toward units attempted, though. But that clearing of the GPA is worth it if you can pass it!</p>
<p>If the real estate class doesn’t transfer to a UC, then you definitely should look into the UCs as well… 3.5 is pretty worthy, especially for a hard major like Engineering!</p>