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<p>THIS! LOL at the semester midpoint it is always so much easier to park on campus. The professors seem to like those of us who stick through all the way, though, so perhaps we get bonus points that way? In any event, I like CC, I’m just ready to move on to bigger and better things. It was a good route to take, though.</p>
<p>^Except during finals when those jackasses return out of nowhere and I can’t find parking. All things being equal, my time at my CC was terrific. I didn’t ***** or whine, just focused on the process, met some lifelong friends, collaborated with professors – led to awesome LORs for privates – and now I’m set to transfer no worse for the wear. In fact I can take on a debt burden because I saved so much money relative to four year students.</p>
<p>“I was merely commenting that your post made it seem like there was a direct correlation between being a URM and being poor. That’s a wide sweeping generalization to make. One should never make such statements. It’s insulting to those who do not fit in it. And one should never assume either. You know what they say about assuming, right*?”</p>
<p>Or perhaps you cannot differentiate what slashes mean in the English langauge; which is typically used as “and” and “or”. I was including both URMs and poor students, please learn the difference. And it is not a “generalization” since poverty has been on the rise, particuarly in URMs since 2000. I believe it has rose by perhaps 5% and 6% for Hispanics and Blacks. </p>
<p>“You brought up issues that had nothing to do with why financial aid was being discussed and one user decided to say it should be eliminated.”</p>
<p>Are you daft? It is completely related since URMs and poor are usually those who are reviving financial aid. Cutting off financial aid eliminates this group.</p>
<p>“Besides, the only issue raised had nothing to do with poor students or URM. It had to do with students who have a poor academic performance and are receiving financial aid. Nothing to do with economic status or ethnicity.”</p>
<p>This is false. Those who do poorly in school stop receiving financial aid. If you do not complete more than 60% of attempted units, you are typically put on probation and you are unable to receive financial aid. I know this because this happened to me when I had medical problems and had to withdraw from several classes. Schools are very strict with their money.</p>
<p>“As a bit of friendly advice, a study that is less than 12 years old might be more helpful. Also citing where the study was from will add more credibility to your post. I honestly mean that as friendly advice and not as a snark (and although your “[e]h?” seemed to be filled with quite a bit of snarky intent, I am far more insulted you would assume being a URM means the URM is poor). When posting statistics and numbers, posting the original source is beneficial to all. Sharing knowledge and all that nonsense, you know?*“</p>
<p>I never said all URMs are poor—I think you do not understand the topic at hand. I could have cited my sources, but you can easily do it yourself. I got all my information from government sites. I’m a logical person and so far, you have not proven a single thing to me. If you want to “debate” with me then please back up whatever it is that you’re saying or provide some type of statics. Otherwise, whatever you say back to me is currently invalid.</p>
<p>“In any case, note that I agree the idea of eliminating financial aid is a bad idea. I just think the issue raised in this thread about financial aid has nothing to do with URMs or low-income students. No need to get huffy at me for just pointing out the issue with your statement.”</p>
<p>It does because it is correlated. Good day.</p>
<p>My “sources” to make you feel better.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/04/minorities_economy.html[/url]”>http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/04/minorities_economy.html</a>
<a href=“http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-19.pdf[/url]”>http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/c2kbr-19.pdf</a></p>
<p>Page 8 :)</p>
<p>GOOD DAY.</p>
<p>@munaluna Calm down. There is no need to make this all about race. By the way, I’m a white male attending UC Davis, and I hope that doesn’t offend you.</p>
<p>The CC’s are going to do whatever is necessary to stay within budget. Students will find a way to finish up their education and get out. In the meantime, they’ll just have to pay for it. By the way, CC’s are still by far the best educational value under the sun.</p>
<p>^ CCs are a good value if you can finish your lower division requirements in two, or at most, three years and then, with near certainty, transfer to a four year university. If that time spent in a CC becomes four or five years and with less chance of eventually transferring to a four year university than they will not be such a bargain. Already, in many respects, CCs are an educational dead end for most of the people that enroll in them. Currently, only 25% of students who matriculate at CCCs eventually get an AA, which has little value, or succeed in transferring to a UC or CSU. What percentage of this 25% will still maintain the needed focus and motivation to complete their CCC studies if the time it takes doubles and there will be terms and semesters when students will be unable to register for any classes? At the same time the rewards for finishing courses required for transfer are going to be less apparent. Already UCs are raising their minimum required GPAs for TAG and this site is littered with posts from people who are now being rejected by CSUs.</p>
<p>^ It actually took me five-and-a-half years to get out of my community college. It was not because I slacked off, but because I declared myself a mechanical engineering major, and also I worked my way through CC. As an ME major, I needed the following courses before I could transfer: </p>
<p>Calculus 1
Calculus 2
Calculus 3
Differential Equations
Linear Algebra
Computer Science 1 (C++ Programming)
Chemistry 1A
Chemistry 1B
Physics 8A
Physics 8B
Physics 8C
Physics 8D
Engineering 22 (Graphics)
Engineering 35 (Statics)
Engineering 44 (Circuits)
Engineering 46 (Materials)</p>
<p>As a plus side, I am within two months of graduation at UC Davis, and I am not a penny in debt.</p>
<p>One other thing, this 25% success rating of the community colleges is shameful. I knew there were slackers at my CC, but I didn’t know it was that bad. There’s no excuse. Your education is YOUR responsibility, not the college’s. I consider my CC experience to be the best thing I ever did, only because I busted my butt and took my education seriously. I saw other students who considered the CC to be a hellhole, and they didn’t show up for class, and they got their grades accordingly. I bet they’re still there, whining about how the government cut them off for financial aid, and still not taking their education seriously. Guess what, THEIR PROBLEM!!!</p>
<p>I could rant for hours on this, but I would just be wasting my time.</p>
<p>So what does this mean for a fall 2012 transfer? Be optimistic please 
LOL</p>
<p>@hesdjjim
Wow 5.5 years in community college??
so you spend 7.5 years to get your ME degree?</p>
<p>@dominicfhk I’m afraid so, but you do what you have to do. I didn’t start my ME work until about 1.5 years into my CC experience, so probably a more accurate number is 6 years to an ME, which I agree is still a long time.</p>
<p>I spent a lot of that time saving up so that I could afford a UC. Also, considering the workload I was taking on, there were some semesters where it was not practical to take on a super-heavy workload.</p>
<p>@vikram298 Just get the best grades you can, and don’t self-select yourself out of a school.</p>
<p>@hesdjjim</p>
<p>your story has reconfirmed my already growing apprehension about having my younger son, who will finish high school in June, go to a CCC and then transfer to a UC rather than go to a CSU instead. He had SAT scores of CR 660 and Math 720 but due to ADHD only had a GPA of 3.05 at the end of his junior year which made applying to any UCs pointless. He was rejected by CSU Sacramento but we are appealing and have a strong case since they somehow listed him as a non-resident even though we have lived in Sacramento County since 2003 and he attended for four years and will be graduating from a Sacramento County high school.</p>
<p>My son wants to major in Physics which requires completion of essentially all of the same lower division courses as Engineering to be eligible to transfer from a CCC to a UC. Physics is not a particularly popular major but Engineering is and if it took you five and a half years to get all the required Calculus, Physics and Chemistry courses you needed to transfer to UCD, with these budget cuts it could take my son ten years and that is just too long of a time to spend at a CCC, even if it means giving up the chance to major in Physics at a UC where I think my son could succeed. Sac State’s Physics Department does not begin to compare with the one at UC Berkeley but if he goes to Sac State he may be able to get his BS in five years and if he does as well as I think he can do he should be able to go to a UC for graduate school and be close to finishing his advanced degree by the time it would take him to get out of the CCC.</p>
<p>@ Lemaitre1</p>
<p>it won’t take your son forever. since he has adhd, he might qualify for priority registration which should make getting classes easier. in addition, requirements for physics majors are much lighter than engineering from what i’ve seen. physics majors don’t need any engineering courses, and some programs don’t even require any computer science courses. physics majors do have more GE requirements though (i think some required IGETC), compared to only 4 for engineering majors. plus, the average GPA admitted for physics is much lower than engineering. =]</p>
<p>^ long time to graduation is why I switched out of engineering.</p>
<p>I got into UCSD through tag without all my pre-reqs completed and saw it was going to take 10-11 quarters to graduate and that would just take too long and be to expensive so I went back to CC. Now back at CC due to the semester system I see it would be at least 3 semesters to finish the physics series so in reality it would take 2 more years to transfer since there are no spring admits (and maybe longer if classes aren’t available). </p>
<p>That’s why I switched to Applied Math, it is a good degree that is interesting to me but here’s the kicker, I could finish my bachelors in Applied Math 2 years from now and then go to grad school for engineering and have a MSE in 4 years… that’s how long it would take for me to get just a BS in engineering. It’s completely ridiculous. My CC is terrible for kids who want to be engineers… very few sections of the sophomore level math classes and getting into physics and chem is no easy task either, and with these budget cuts it’s only going to get worse which is why I need to get out of their ASAP and onto a 4 year. CC is not a great path for science/engineering majors unless you know that’s what you wanted to do the minute you got there… if you’re like a lot of us though and spend a semester or two trying to figure out what you want to major in it will take years to transfer out of a CC as an engineering major.</p>
<p>@Lemaitre1 I had to play catch-up for two years in math before I could even set foot in a calculus classroom, but they were two very important years, as that was when I discovered my strength in math. If your son is already solid in math, he might be able to test straight into calculus. That would shave the time down to 3.5 years. Also, Aust1nku is correct in that your son would not have to take the engineering classes, so take off another year. All transfers are required to take a few GE courses, and he’ll have to talk with an advisor about that.</p>
<p>That said, I’m not trying to push a CC on your son, but I just want to clear up a few facts. If he gets into Sac State, and that’s what he wants to do, by all means go for it.</p>
<p>honestly if you don’t have priority registration, its going to take 3+ years to transfer.</p>
<p>If you want to make sure you transfer on time apply for the EOPS program. They give you a priority registration and 100 dollars for books. I don’t really know about the 100 dollars (I never knew how to get it) but the priority registration is well worth it.</p>
<p>Also, military service members get priority registration.</p>
<p>@Hesdjjim</p>
<p>My son has already taken the math placement test at our local CCC and tested straight into Calculus 1 so if he could actually register for the course in a reasonable amount of time such as this Summer or Fall then it does sound like he could transfer in less than five years.</p>
<p>Basically, to transfer to a UC in Physics he would have to complete one semester each of the following courses:
Calculus 1
Calculus 2
Calculus 3
Differential Equations
Linear Algebra
General Chemistry 1
Physics 1 - Mechanics and Thermodynamics
Physics 2 - Electricity & Magnetism
Physics 3 - Light, Waves and Optics</p>
<p>If it were only other Physics majors, of which there are very few, who needed to take these courses I do not think it would be a problem but as can be seen, there is an awful lot of overlap between this list and the one for Engineering and it seems like everybody is trying to get into Engineering so there will be a lot of competition to get into these courses. With the budget cuts there will almost certainly be reductions in the number of sections offered in Calculus, Physics and Chemisry and there may be semesters when Differential Equations and Linear Algebra will not be offered at all. I know I am not the only one but I seem to be dealing with a lot of unknowns at the moment and desperately want to help my son make the best decision.</p>
<p>@Lemaitre1 Let’s see:</p>
<p>Fall 2011:</p>
<p>Calculus 1
General Chemistry 1
Lower Div. Writing Requirement</p>
<p>Spring 2012:</p>
<p>Calculus 2
Physics 1
GE Requirement, if required (check Assist)</p>
<p>Fall 2012 (apply to UCs and CSUs):</p>
<p>Calculus 3
Physics 2
GE Requirement, if required</p>
<p>Spring 2013:</p>
<p>Differential Equations
Linear Algebra
Physics 3</p>
<p>Theoretically, it can be done in two years, if it becomes necessary to attend a community college. He may have to crash some of these courses, but he’ll eventually get in if he’s persistant, and I guarantee there will be drops during the first week. If he can get Calculus 1 out of the way over the summer, he would be able to split up Differential Equations and Linear Algebra during his last semester. For me, those were the hardest classes I took, ever.</p>
<p>@hesdj</p>
<p>25% success rate? in terms of what? </p>
<p>source.</p>