<p>I did very poorly on my Subject Tests
700 English
660 US Hist
650 Math II
And attribute it to the fact that I completely blew off taking the time to study, at all.
(Summer started and I got lazy :/)
My question is, I received a 2190 on my SAT and I'm wondering if it is okay to send in just my SAT score and not my SAT II's.
Do colleges frown upon that or anything like that?
I do have a 33 on my ACT if worst comes to worst but I want to show that I'm capable on both tests if I possibly can.</p>
<p>Some schools require SAT IIs. So, you are out of luck there. And do you know what this tells schools? You aren’t very competent. SAT only goes up to Algebra 1 and few geometry. An 8th grader can take that. Your Math II is at the 50th percentile. You are average. I did not even bother looking up the other stuff. ACT tells you that you are on the 98th percentile of the population when it comes to getting less questions wrong. But the SAT IIs show you did not adequately master the subjects, therefore not ready for the rigor of the more advanced topics.</p>
<p>SAT IIs tend to show the bigger picture than SAT or ACT.</p>
<p>I realize that I did poorly on the Math II, but I do know that the ACT can be sent in lieu of SAT II’s so I am just concerned as to whether or not it is still okay to send JUST my SAT and ACT.</p>
<p>SAT II’s would really only come into play at a few selected colleges in a few selected majors.</p>
<p>The Subject SAT’s have a high curve, meaning that they are somewhat self-selecting. The Math II is especially high, with 8-10% of the students earning perfect scores. You are average within a fairly elite group. Your Math score probably won’t get you into MIT or Cal Tech, but you’re probably a pretty competitive candidate otherwise. My son did far worse on the Math I subject test, but he’s applying to theater programs, where the score can’t hurt him too badly. His English and US History scores resemble yours in reverse - he’ll probably retake the Lit, because he didn’t do any prep in advance and can probably jack the score up a little if he practices. The Lit would be the most interesting to theater schools, furthermore.The gentleman who said you didn’t master the subject is wrong; you mastered it, but didn’t excel. Most people who truly haven’t mastered the subject wouldn’t sit for the Level II test.</p>
<p>50% among students who choose to take the Math II. That is to say, 50% among the top students – since most top students take 2 or 3 subject tests, the percentages are skewed because you are cometing against, as stagemum said, a self-selecting group. Although the scores aren’t great, they won’t kill you. Yes, the SAT subject test may be more “showing”, but the SAT matters much more</p>
<p>Scores to percentiles can be misleading. For instance, I have a friend who took the Chinese SAT II and scored a 750 but was below the 50th percentile because all of the native speakers of Chinese score 800s (the mean score was around 760).</p>
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<p>Not true, at least at colleges that require Subject Tests. (Do you really think they’d ask for them if they didn’t matter as much?)</p>
<p>OP: a 33 and 2190 are equivalent, so I’d recommend only sending ACT score to those colleges that do not require Subject Tests. The SAT will add no additional value to your app. Colleges do not care if you are ‘capable’ on both. Heck, the adcom might not even see the second score since a clerk in the office could write the highest score on on the outside of your file.</p>
<p>Are you a senior? I think SAT subject matters in the sense that if it’s low it’s a concern but if it’s high it may not help. For example, I sometimes read students stressing over retaking the SAT subject tests to increase their scores from 760 to 800 or 730 to 800.
However, I think if it’s in the low to mid 600’s,if you have a chance do retaking them. If not maybe you submit the ACT scores instead.</p>
<p>SAT 2s don’t matter much at all</p>
<p>I personally am stressing over the fact that I got a 750 on physics… That is a 77 percentile. I probably need to retake it and get a 800.</p>
<p>I am going to be a senior, so I think I’ll retake them in the beginning of next year.
If I can get above a 700 I think it would be smart to send that and English right?
And I just finished calculus AB with a horrible teacher, and got a 3. (granted I was the only student to pass in the school, no other student even receiving a 2)
So while my math skills aren’t exceptional I know that I can at that very least improve that score.</p>
<p>But what about that 670 on Math II? And I mean that 1900 on the regular SAT! You know an 8th grader could take it right?
Maybe be a little less judgmental when you clearly have no right to judge :)</p>
<p>unhooked candidates who are successful at the likes of Duke and Northwestern will have scores in the 750+ range. Ditto other top 10 schools. But since you bring a hook…</p>
<p>Yes, if you can pull a 700+ on math 2, send the Subject Test scores. But again, there is zero value of sending both ACT and SAT-1. The scores are statistically equivalent.</p>
<p>btw: some colleges ignore score choice and require all scores. Since you have a hook, I would not suggest applying ED.</p>
<p>Yeah I’m leaning against applying ED now…
And for schools requiring either ACT or SAT + Subject Tests, I will likely send just the ACT if the Subject Tests turn out poorly.
If I were not to send any SAT scores would that still be considered omitting scores and be frowned upon?
And for schools not requiring Subject Tests would it still be useless to send the SAT along with the ACT?</p>
<p>wait, why shouldn’t he apply ED with a hook?</p>
<p>I would completely disagree with the notion that SAT IIs are more important than SAT I. Primarily, the SAT I is a much more accurate picture of the student against the rest of the pool. With the exception of Math II, the types of SAT IIs taken vary greatly between applicants. More importantly, SAT I tests the aptitude of the student. Although an eighth grader might be able to answer SAT I questions in theory, the presentation of the questions in the exam makes them far tricker. I know people, myself included (careless mistakes), that scored far better on the SAT II than on the SAT I Math (780 vs. 700).</p>
<p>At all but the ultra-elite universities a bad SAT I can remove you from the pool whereas a bad SAT II might just stand as a point against your admission.</p>
<p>I find SAT IIs to be much like the ACT–something it seems you have done well on. It tests your comprehension, not aptitude. As such put your nose in the textbooks and get to the studying–you might surprise yourself!</p>
<p>^ I completely agree.</p>
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