bad undergrad Umich IOE GPA, jobs, grad school, opportunities, screwed for life?

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<p>bad undergrad Umich IOE GPA, jobs, grad school, opportunities, screwed for life? tips
if you have a bad IOE GPA at the University of Michigan Ann Arbor (below 3.0) are you screwed and is there any hope you can get into their graduate IOE program if you do well in your later semesters, esp in 400 level and any 500 level classes? If you prove yourself worthy later on and do better later on, is that any good even if your overall gpa sucks because of a horrible start?</p>

<p>What is a bad ioe gpa? I know IOE at Umich is tops and doing well here can get you a lot of places, but what about doing poorly? Are you screwed, or can you still find a decent job or go to a graduate school? As in Umich grad school or similar or are you doomed to having to go to a horrible grad school or no grad school?</p>

<p>What if you do bad at Umich IOE then do 2 years at another school for a 2nd undergrad degree and get a good GPA there, do you still have a future, or are you screwed?</p>

<p>And I won't lie, I had a bad start. I transferred in as a .5 sophomore, or 1.5 years after undergrad elsewhere where I had a 3.0 GPA, so do I still have a shot if I have 2 years left and I have a C average from 20 units of courses?</p>

<p>And what's the policy on retaking courses? My advisor says I can't retake courses in which I get a "C" but I can retake courses with a C-, but what about non engineering courses? Thanks.</p>

<p>any tips on how to succeed in ioe?</p>

<p>also, I work part time and I am low on money but don't get enough financial aid and I commute from home which is a 40 minute drive 1 way so I spend 1.5 hours on the road daily but sometimes I'll have an all nighter in the library where I crash in the library and sleep a little bit on a library couceh since I can't stand a 1 hr commute when I'm cramming.</p>

<p>any tips? I really wanna succeed and I know I have a great chance to do so given the fact that Umich's IOE is such a stellar program.</p>

<p>also, I have some personal issues going on in my life, any tips on how to succeed, or should I transfer out to a less prestigious school such as UM Dearborn?</p>

<p>is UM Dearbor's Industrial Engineering any good or decent? What about Ohio State for Industrial Engineering? Thanks.</p>

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<p>I’m an IOE major at Michigan. </p>

<p>Honestly, below a 3.0 does seem really bad in IOE. I would recommend just not including a GPA on your resume. It seems like a lot of IOEs are hired on a non-academic/intellectual basis, like they’re very personable or something. If you’re otherwise a good candidate except for GPA then you should be fine. </p>

<p>If you live in/close to Dearborn it might make sense to transfer, but if not I wouldn’t do it. If you go to a new school only your GPA at that school will matter. </p>

<p>As for tips to succeed, there really isn’t much. What classes are tripping you up? Most classes just a basic understanding of the material should be enough to do reasonably well. For classes like 366 (where no one actually understands the material but all the problems come from a few standard templates) and 333 (where the material is just a list of facts) you just gotta sit and memorize. If you don’t feel like doing that, poor grades in those two don’t seem like a big deal. I got bad grades in them and don’t care at all. What classes have tripped you up?</p>

<p>Edit: I’m a little confused, do you already go to Michigan or are you coming in Fall but are just nervous?</p>

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<p>Screwed for life?</p>

<p>I was a sub-3.0 Math/CS grad from Michigan State. Parlayed that into a 20+ year software engineering/systems engineering career and snagged a M.S. in Engineering from U-Wisconsin in the process. Worked for a few of the big defense conpanies (Boeing, General Dynamics, etc) along the way and now contracting for NSA.</p>

<p>You are not gonna let a Michigan State grad talk about this are ya? :-)</p>

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<p>@vlad</p>

<p>I transferred last fall and have one semester in addition to a spring term class
19 credits taken at the U of M
C average
got a C- in ME 240
C- in IOE 202 and 201
C- in 265</p>

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<p>Jeez dude. </p>

<p>Well, I think you have to retake all those classes because I think you need a C for passing. Maybe not the ME 240?</p>

<p>Since you’re retaking them, IOE 201 is all just high school algebra with dollar signs. Don’t try to use formulas, understand how to derive them. They’re really simple to derive. If you try to just memorize the formulas and use them you’ll screw up and use the wrong one or something. IOE 202 you just gotta learn the material better. But you should want to learn it because 202 is basically “Introduction to IOE.” If you don’t like 202 then you probably shouldn’t do IOE. 265 early stuff you probably should just know. If not, you need to learn it, and it should be pretty intuitive. The later stuff I learned in high school but if you didn’t it’s probably just something you should learn also. Try to understand how it works as much as you can and then if you don’t understand ask someone. But if you want to fall back on it, if it’s Guzman then all the questions are pretty much template questions. I didn’t take ME 240 so I can’t tell you anything about that.</p>

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<p>they said you don’t have to retake it
and they also say you must get a C- to retake
I have some C grades
oh yeah ,C in 333 and C in 334</p>

<p>and a C in marketing 300</p>

<p>how can I stop getting Cs? Should I take a semester off? I had a lot of financial and personal/family issues distracting me from school
and I didn’t take stats in high school (hurting me now) no CS in high school and only up to ap calc ab in high school.</p>

<p>am i screwed
and is it okay if I take longer to graduate? @vlad, aer you graduating in 4 years or is 6 years not bad?</p>

<p>is graduating in 5 years for IOE bad?</p>

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<p>If you need to take a semester off then do it. No one cares how long it takes you to graduate.</p>

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<p>I kind of wonder about 366 (which Google reveals as “Linear statistical models and their application to engineering data analysis. Linear regression and correlation; multiple linear regression, analysis of variance, introduction to design of experiments.”. Unless the prof is teaching at grad level the stuff is fairly easy…</p>

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<p>What is considered a decent IoE GPA at UMich?
Does the GPA improve or only goes down?
Thanks</p>

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<p>Like, 3.5 or better. I’d say typically electives are easier than major classes.</p>

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<p>Thanks for your prompt response. But the information you provided is a bit tough to digest as that (GPA of 3.5) is the criterion for being on the Dean’s list. Hard to believe that it is the average (or just ‘decent’) for all IoE.</p>

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<p>Average for IOE is probably like 3.1 or 3.2… 3.5 is the level where your GPA is probably not holding you back anymore. Have you looked at the Dean’s list? There’s about 2000 names on there every semester. Dean’s list is not very hard to achieve.</p>

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<p>Thanks, Vladenschlutte. I was looking for the average GPA and your reply provides that info. My son is considering IoE but his initial grades are below average. When I attended the parents’ orientation session, Prof Halloway mentioned that the average freshaman GPA is 2.96.</p>

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<p>It tends to go up a little as you get into your major classes and electives. Prerequisites tend to be curved to a B-, Major classes sometimes to a B-, sometimes to a B, and electives usually to a B+. IOE major classes tend to be curved to that B rather than B- most of the time, and there’s a few classes where the average grade is probably between a B+ and an A- (373 comes to mind, anything Guzman teaches is likely to be an average B+), so IOE GPAs tend to be slightly higher than GPAs in other majors.</p>

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<p>The prof I had who usually teaches it just teaches by example. So we don’t really learn any of that, we memorize how to solve some basic template problems.</p>

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i’m back
my other engineer20 account i can’t log into, maybe it got banned, but now yes, i’m still at umich ioe, with a bad gpa and sitting out for the semester becasue of bad grades and i have to apply for reinstaetment
i’m required to get a 3.5 next semester or else i’m permanently dismissed
would i be able to get a 3.5 taking all humanities classes and what are some easy “basketweaving” classes where everyone gets an A? thanks.