Barnard College Class of 2016 ED Thread

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<p>Haha I was looking for the stats posted in the link for ages now. </p>

<p>I emailed admissions at Barnard and asked them if they wanted my First Quarter grades and-Eep! They mentioned that they’re already reading through ED apps. I submitted mine in late October/Early November, so I feel like, at this point, my decision might already be in the mail haha. We’ll see. </p>

<p>Regarding the link-- Last year, Barnard had to deal with overenrollment. If you guys have been on any tours, the stage dorm room that they show off is a triple. Idk about you guys, but I wouldn’t want to be in a triple :frowning: I’m also sure that they don’t want overenrollment + overcrowding to happen again. Their attrition rate is lower. </p>

<p>That being said, with an increase in the expected number of applicants who intend to enroll, do you think the number of ED seats they take will decline? </p>

<p>With the numbers stated in the article, they seemed to have secured 240/580 of their seats with ED applicants, leaving just 340 seats for RD applicants. </p>

<p>After overenrollment in the Class of 2015, will the number of ED seats they want to secure fall this year in order to account for the rising number of RD students accepting offers?</p>

<p>:/</p>

<p>Thats just the thing I’m curious about. I’m sure that doing research on the relationship between college ED seats/RD acceptances over time will reveal whether or not Barnard’s strategy to deflect overenrollment this year will affect the number of ED seats (240) or simply affect the number accepted RD.</p>

<p>I have to write a 13 page term paper for my social studies class right now, or else I would do that research myself :(</p>

<p>But anywho. Assuming that they want to secure 240 seats from 561 applicant, there will be a 42.7% acceptance. However, I seriously doubt that the number will stay 240 in light of increasing RD apps… </p>

<p>:( </p>

<p>So, in other news, out of 561 app, 16 of us have posted on this forum. I’m sure there are many other lurkers too :slight_smile: </p>

<p>I hope you don’t mind, but just to count, I listed us in the order of your first post on the thread:</p>

<p>noloserhere, PeaceLoveTheatre, treehugga, asavagejourney, SunlitMidnight, THISISSCARY, amurd927, Isa123, yallah, mllecitron, groceries, checca94, NACREOUS, jrm927, girlyb, nyc1994, </p>

<p>In addition to these 16, I know three people IRL who applied ED. So thats 19 people. Wow, I wonder what the 542 other applicants out there are thinking? ;)</p>

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<p>That’s a lot of statistics! I REALLY don’t want a triple. I did a summer program at a college in a triple and they don’t work out well–there’s not the close bond like there is between roommates. </p>

<p>I know this is thinking really far ahead, but do you guys think you’ll pick your roommates like on facebook or from meeting people or just let housing assign them? I don’t know what most people usually do!</p>

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<p>@treehugga</p>

<p>First years are assigned roommates and apparently Barnard goes hardcore in reviewing the personal-preference forms they give you to find you a roomie that will be perfect for you. My tour guide mentioned that its really really important to be completely honest on the survey sheet and its to your benefit to discuss your sleeping/study habits as thoroughly as possible. Apparently they read through every single one and work really hard to match people up well. </p>

<p>Correct me if I’m wrong though! </p>

<p>The first year dorms are in the quad, which is directly on campus. There are four halls (or three IDK). The buildings have more than one entrance, but the halls are all interconnected (like if you keep walking through a hallway, you’ll be in another hall/building thing). And according to my tour guide, each building/hall kind of has its own personality. Like IDK… all of the dorms in one hall will have mahogany and wooden embellishments, while another hall will have light purple walls and have modern looking furniture.</p>

<p>I recently read an article in the times that said that the dorms in Cathedral Hall (not for first years), houses faculty… Imagine living next door to your professor? Haha. </p>

<p>But Morningside Heights seems like such a nice, quaint neighborhood; I would really love to live there! I grew up in Queens, so to me, theres a really homely feeling to be close to the city but still within a domestic community. I’ve spent the last 4-5 years going to school on the Upper East Side, and I wouldn’t want to live there because on some level, its very detached, businessy, and not homely-feeling at all. </p>

<p>The Upper West Side is like, the perfect moderation between Queens and the East Side. It’s cleaner than Queens, but not as clinical and cold as the East Side. To me, its the perfect place I’d like to have my college experience.</p>

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<p>If you’re accepted ED and enroll as soon as you get in then housing shouldn’t be TOO much of a problem - I think the earlier you enroll the better the chance that you’ll have good housing. And really, only 240 seats for EDers? I recall my friend at Barnard telling me that 60% of the Class of 2015 was made up of ED applicants, but that could include EDers who were deferred/waitlisted and then accepted.</p>

<p>And my biggest worry is that if my twin sister and I both get in they’ll put us in the same room! We do have very similar interests and habits but that would take such a huge chunk out of my social life.</p>

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<p>a triple? heh. i’ll take what i can get ;).</p>

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<p>Yayyy, those statistics definitely make me feel better! :slight_smile: The overenrollment problem is interesting, though. I wonder if that will continue in the next few years. I would think that, if anything, they would decrease the number of RD acceptances rather than ED, but I obviously don’t really know. </p>

<p>And I sincerely hope I do not end up in a triple…I’m not cut out for living with people. I like my own personal space too much. Does anyone know if the housing lotto allows you to request your dorm hall?</p>

<p>Also, @amurd927: Ooohhh, “How To Succeed” will be good! I saw that for Cappies last year (also tried to get last minute tickets to the NYC show after my Barnard interview, but failed, sadly). I also have a friend who did “Complete Works of Shakespeare”; I haven’t seen it, but it sounds like a really fun show from what I heard/the pictures I saw. And, haha, I’ve seen some surprisingly good productions of “Joseph”, as well! That and “Jesus Christ Superstar” can be really fun if they are done well. Sounds like you have some good shows to look forward to! I am most excited for “Curtains”, as I have not heard of a high school doing it until this year. It should be a unique show! :slight_smile: Are you planning on writing for the newspaper if you get into Barnard?</p>

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<p>@THISISSCARY</p>

<p>Haha (in the long run) I completely concur…!</p>

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<p>Guys! I have news (Man, I’m just making posts and posts tonight aren’t I…)</p>

<p>The financial aid portal opened for applicants!</p>

<p>Under Financial Aid on the Barnard Website, I had initially made an account using my tracking number ID as a student ID#
However, although the log-on worked, the screen usually said that the information was “unavailable”</p>

<p>It works now! I can see all of my FA documents and whether they were received or waived. :))))))</p>

<p>I’m happy… That unavailable message had been seriously grating on me before. Haha.</p>

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<p>As far as housing goes:</p>

<p>You do NOT get to request what hall you are on, nor do you have the option to request a single/double, etc. </p>

<p>Barnard, IMO, does a pretty good job of placing first-year roomies together through their fairly extensive survey that you will get early next Summer. As long as you are honest in your answers, consideration will be made about things like your study habits and other preferences. My D was soooo very excited about starting college in a city where she knew absolutely nobody, and loved her first year living in a triple (two small rooms for 3 people). She loved her roommates as well, though they did not choose to live together after that first year.</p>

<p>After your first year, you will be able to participate in the housing lottery and will have the opportunity to live in places like Cathedral Gardens or Plimpton (where my D spent the other three years of her Barnard tenure). She was in a single in Plimpton, in a suite with 4 other girls. They shared a kitchen and a bath. The accommodations were not glamourous by the standards of some other colleges, but by NYC standards they were pretty darned nice!!</p>

<p>So, in my never-to-be-humble opinion, the housing situation is what you make of it. If you are totally caught up in living in spacious, new, modern surroundings for your four years of college, Barnard is probably not going to do that for you. If, however, you are excited about living in NYC and making many new friends, you are good.</p>

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<p>Yea, I don’t really care where I live, I’d just like to have a roommate who I’m really good friends with. A girl who I know who goes to Barnard had a friend who also was accepted and they chose to live together, so it just made me nervous that a lot of people knew each other!</p>

<p>I love meeting new people, though, so I’ll be happy with whatever!</p>

<p>Oh, and about financial aid: I didn’t request aid, so they actually sent me a letter asking me if I was sure about not applying for aid–I thought that was nice!</p>

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<p>Oh my god, PeaceLoveTheater, I’ve been DYING to see Curtains! One school in my area is doing it but it’s already full - here’s hoping someone backs out at the last minute! And if I get in I’m not sure if I’ll go for the newspaper only because there are SO many clubs there that I want to do. I already have a problem with too many clubs in high school; I can’t even imagine how stressful it would be in college! I would love to participate though and I’ll be the first in line for student rush tickets. How about you?</p>

<p>And thanks so much for telling me about the financial aid portal! I couldn’t get in at first because I was putting my PIN in as my ID number…woops. I called the financial aid office about it and when I was able to log in I was WAY too excited. All of the fin aid stuff is received, my apps, scores, and recs are in, my first marking period grades are sent, and now all I can do is wait. Sigh. And I don’t care if they put me in a double, a triple, a quadruple…I’ll sleep in a cardboard box outside with 6 other girls and a latrine if it means I get to go there (although a blanket and a pillow would be nice).</p>

<p>Is anyone else fearing for the 16th not only because of Barnard, but because of how everyone else will react to their ED decisions? 35 kids in my school applied to UPenn ED and at least 10 applied to Cornell ED, Princeton EA, or UChicago EA. No other Barnard EDers as far as I know but I could be wrong. Maybe I should take the 16th as a mental health day…</p>

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<p>I told my friends that weekend is either going to be a really goof one or a really bad one. So they should throw me a party either way :). </p>

<p>But a lot of people in my school are getting their ED decisions on the 8th. Like half my bio class applied ED to an ivy that releases decisions then, so the 9th is going to be a real *****show.</p>

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<p>I really want to send in my first quarter grades but I’m not sure if it’ll be futile at this point Ah.
Wow 35 kids to Penn? :open_mouth: Do you live in PA? My friend told me that Penn is releasing decisions on the 9th.
According to my counselor, 95% of my graduating class applied early somewhere. I already know some kids who have received admissions decisions through Questbridge. </p>

<p>I think I’m kind of detaching myself from the Dec. 15th craze (Is it the 16th? I thought it was the 15th. Darnit. I was counting on getting a day early since I live in the city). Last year, 11 kids got into Yale from my HS… 14 to Columbia, 6 to Harvard… 32 to Cornell… </p>

<p>Since I didn’t apply to a HYP+ school, I’ll be fine reveling and privately relishing my admissions decisions. Haha, I know this sounds odd, but even if I do get in, I might not tell anyone explicitly or announce it to the world (as a fb status or something).</p>

<p>Considering the fact that theres a 30-40% ivy league matriculation rate from my high school, there are people who will think that I only applied to Barnard because I want to go to Columbia.</p>

<p>If I had to weigh them, I like Barnard SO MUCH more than Columbia. I really don’t want people to think I applied to Barnard as a “back-door” school… but my HS is really competitive, so the fact that Barnard is statistically less selective than Columbia will rub people the wrong way. Depressing, isn’t it? I’m in love with Barnard, but I can’t even be public about it because tons of people think of it a backdoor school. :confused: Geez. What Is Lyfe.</p>

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<p>So here it is; I did research for the overenrollment question- </p>

<p>Question|Why was there overenrollment in the Class of 2015? How will Barnard Admissions ameliorate this issue and how will their efforts affect the ED applicant pool for the Class of 2016? </p>

<p>Data|
Class of 2012:
392 ED applicants, 187 accepted.
3881 RD applicants, 1031 admitted.
393/1031 accepted RD offer.
3.63% RD Yield
4273 Applicants, 1218 admitted.</p>

<p>Class of 2014:
396 ED applicants, 211 accepted
4222 RD applicants, 1074 admitted
378/1074 accepted RD offer
2.84% RD Yield
4618 Applicants, 1285 admitted.
Class Size: 589</p>

<p>Class of 2015:
550 ED applicants, 240 accepted
4604 RD applicants, 1044 accepted
372/1044 accepted RD offer
2.80% RD Yield
5154 Applicants, 1288 admitted.
Class Size: 612</p>

<p>Class of 2016:
561 ED applicants
Projected RD Yield: 2.80%
Expected Class Size: 580</p>

<p>Procedure and Notes| I calculated total RD applicants by subtracting total applicant number from ED applicant number. I did the same in order to calculate total RD acceptances. In order to calculate yield, I divided total RD acceptances by RD seats.*How I calculated yield is not what is normally considered yield. My purpose was to figure out how Barnard would combat overenrollment this year, so I simply found the number of RD applicants who accepted the offer of admission and denoted it as “yield.” That being said, for my calculations, I also assumed a 100% “yield” for accepted ED applicants. </p>

<p>Conclusions| The percent of RD applicants accepting offers of admission did NOT change. The gross application numbers to Barnard increased, but RD yield remained 2.8%. However, Barnard accepted more ED applicants. (240 for 2015 versus 211 for 2014). Correct me if I’m wrong, but after looking at the numbers, I believe that Barnard will accept FEWER early decision applicants this year. The reason they had overenrollment is BECAUSE they accepted too many ED. The RD enrollment yield did not change, afterall. In order to compensate for overenrollment, the projected class size this year is 580.</p>

<p>What does this mean? 2016 ED will have a harder time than 2015 ED :frowning: Barnard Admissions will likely learn from their mistakes and there will be fewer ED slots. Don’t expect 240 acceptances or a 43.6% ED acceptance rates, guys :frowning: </p>

<p>In other news, these are stats for other years:</p>

<p>Class of 2011:
432 ED applicants, 181 accepted. </p>

<p>Class of 2013:
4273 Applicants, 1218 accepted.</p>

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<p>noloserhere - Do you go to school in a brick prison?</p>

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<p>I am impressed by your diligence, noloserhere. But I am not sure your assumptions are correct. For one thing, many ED applicants will not request financial aid, so I can imagine that Barnard will want as many of those students enrolled as possible…</p>

<p>I know Barnard is need-blind, but i can only imagine that ED must be a very attractive applicant pool because of this one factor…</p>

<p>Just my two-cents!</p>

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<p>Noloser, I agree with your conclusions and compliment you on the effort involved in compiling the stats… but I can’t figure out your math!</p>

<p>How do you come up with tiny, under 3% yield figures when roughly 1/3 of the RD students are accepting a spot? At first I thought you just had a misplaced decimal… but then the math didn’t work out for that either.</p>

<p>Example, for class of 2015:
You have 1,044 students accepted RD; of those, 372 enroll.</p>

<p>372 / 1044 = 35.6% yield … yet you have a figure of 2.8% ???</p>

<p>Even if you divide the RD enrollees by the total number of applicants (5154), the result is 7.2%</p>

<p>It looks like maybe you confused a factor with a percentage – because if you reverse the equation to 1044/372 (which is what you say you did), then the result is 2.8 – but that is NOT a percentage, that is a multiple. Or, to put it another way, its the equivalent of 280% — there were 2.8x as many accepted students as those who enrolled. </p>

<p>It is true that the mathematical equivalences are the same – that is, the previous year had a 35.2% RD yield, and the year before that had a 38% yield. It’s just that the way you have set it out doesn’t make sense numerically. If Barnard was in fact expecting a 2.8% yield, they’d pretty much have to accept all comers in the RD round and keep any non-accepted ED’ers on a waitlist to fill the ranks. I mean, 2.8% of the 2015 RD applicant pool of 4604 would only be 129 students, so with that math they’d have to accept all RD applicants and 451 of the 550 ED’er in order to come up with a class of 580. If that were the case, you’d have a 100% RD admit rate and an 82% ED admit rate. </p>

<p>So… again, I get what you mean but one downside of attending Barnard is that they have a quantitative reasoning requirement, and (like my daughter) you might end up having to take a math class at Columbia to fill it. … so you might as well get in the habit of being more careful about numbers now.</p>

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<p>im not that mathematical-i figure Barnard’s ED admit rate is usually in the 30-50% range, so because applications were around the same as last year, it’ll be in the high 30’s-low 40’s range.</p>

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<p>Yeah, I’m with you guys on all the ED hype…my school is also pretty competitive, like all of your guys’. There definitely isn’t a 40% matriculation rate for Ivy Leagues, but the top 10% or so of my class is REALLY smart. For example, one of my best friends got a 2360 on the SAT (and she’s also completely non-socially awkward and has free time). But, anyway, while a lot of people know that Barnard is my top choice, I only told a couple people that I applied ED. I just don’t want the hype of “Oh…be nice to her today. She didn’t get in…not that I’m surprised”, etc., so I just didn’t even go there. I’ll definitely post excited Facebook statuses and tell people though if I get in…</p>

<p>@amurd927: Yeah, I’m not sure, either. I’m really excited to sign up for a lot of clubs and such, so I will only do newspaper if it looks like I have time, and probably not until second semester.</p>

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<p>Yeah… I suck at math… I shouldve typed up a disclaimer. Oh well.</p>

<p>@Nacreous: ?</p>