<p>calmom never attened Barnard and she probably never attended college. Clearly you have no idead what you are talking about.</p>
<p>From the current New Student Orientation web site, FAQs:</p>
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<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/orientation/html/cc/faq.html]New”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/orientation/html/cc/faq.html]New</a> Student Orientation Program (2010)<a href=“emphasis%20added”>/url</a></p>
<p>This whole argument is pointless and is actually making me so upset that I might leave the CC boards. </p>
<p>For people to blatantly disregard the complex and intimate relationship between Barnard and Columbia is the highest form of ignorance. As of Fall 2010 I will be a Barnard girl and I will be proud to carry that title with me for the rest of my life- but I am also GRATEFUL and APPRECIATIVE of the unique relationship I will have with Columbia University. Barnard students aren’t leeches trying to suck the “Ivy” out of Columbia University- we respect the institution and the students who matriculate there- but we also have a place there, and we do belong. It is strongly disconcerting to me that there are students at Columbia (or perhaps, even at Barnard though I have not met any) that would be so cruel and derogatory for no reason other than to make Barnard girls feel bad. </p>
<p>I think the moderators need to find a way to close this discussion because If there was a thread on the Columbia forums (I would not know, since I am a BARNARD girl and have yet to visit the columbia forums) that had barnard girls bashing columbia students, I’m not sure it would last as long as this thread has.</p>
<p>Those are what barnard claims.<br>
Here is what Columbia says.
[Columbia</a> University: Prospective Students](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/prospective_students/index.html]Columbia”>http://www.columbia.edu/prospective_students/index.html)
Barnard is not one of Columbia’s undergraduate schools. </p>
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<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202008-2009.htm[/url]”>Columbia OPIR;
<p>Barnard degree is not full columbia degree. </p>
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<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/students.html</a>
Again Barnard is not one of Columbia’s undergraduate school. </p>
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<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/enrollment-gender-2008-2009.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/enrollment-gender-2008-2009.htm</a>
Barnard students are not enrolled at Columbia.</p>
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and Barnard is not one of three.</p>
<p>Why does it matter so much to you? Please just go away and leave Barnard girls alone!!! </p>
<p>If this is what being a part of columbia means, then guess what- i dont want to be! From what I understand, Columbia has a rich history of being INCLUSIVE and above all, INTELLIGENT- this is not an intelligent argument you are making, it is one rooted in self-loathing and insecurity on YOUR part, and I recommend you seek professional help.</p>
<p>I am not bashing Barnard students. I am just saying that Barnard and Columbia are two separate schools. Barnard is separately accredited and has separate TRUSTEES.</p>
<p>well, it certainly feels like you are trying to make the point that because a Barnard degree is not a FULL columbia degree, then Barnard girls are LESS than columbia students. I don’t know about you, but that sounds like bashing to me. I know I’m new here, but please, unless you are on this forum to give CONSTRUCTIVE advice, please leave. You are souring what should be an amazing and exciting time for me, and I’m sure for other lurkers on the CC boards.</p>
<p>Bwaybabe, he’s an anomaly and likely not even associated with Columbia College at all. Don’t let it get in your way. This isn’t representative of what you will encounter at Barnard or Columbia.</p>
<p>By the way, your direct and honest reaction to this poster is great. It’s exactly the right thing to say.</p>
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Nope. Barnard students are as good as Columbia students. Barnard is just separate school. </p>
<p>Look. US governemnt view Baranrd and Columbia U as two separate schools.
[Middle</a> States Commission on Higher Education](<a href=“Institutions Archive - Middle States Commission on Higher Education”>Institutions Archive - Middle States Commission on Higher Education)
[Middle</a> States Commission on Higher Education](<a href=“Institutions Archive - Middle States Commission on Higher Education”>Institutions Archive - Middle States Commission on Higher Education)</p>
<p>and I graduated from Columbia College.</p>
<p>Shoshi- Thank you, because I was beginning to get a little worried! :)</p>
<p>Billkamix- Nobody here is saying that Barnard and Columbia are the SAME SCHOOL. They are not. (And frankly, thank god for that! Columbia is too big for me, I love the intimacy that comes from Barnard’s small class size and community.) They are two separate educational institutions with a unique relationship that grants Barnard students (and columbia students as well, if you look at it that way) a chance to belong to a greater community. </p>
<p>Think about it this way: I’m a theater major, and seeing as how there is no theater dept for undergraduate columbia students, they come to Barnard to fulfill their major requirements. Do I fault them for that? Absolutely NOT! We should focus on being INCLUSIVE and welcoming each other into our respective communities because there is no denying that they do intersect. So I am asking you to please keep your opinions to yourself unless you want to focus on how barnard and columbia COMPLIMENT one another, and not how they cause divisive and unnecessary boundaries between people.</p>
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Calmom did. </p>
<p>Harvard and MIT are two separate schools, but MIT’s bioengineering students take courses at Harvard Medical School to fulfill MIT degree requirement. However, no one at MIT says MIT is part of Harvard. Tufts university studnets take courses at Harvard, but that does not mean than Tufts is part of Harvard.</p>
<p>As long as Barnard students accept the fact then they attend Barnard (not Columbia) and received degree from Barnard, there is no problem. However, no one at Columbia likes Barnard girl pretending as Columbia student/graduate.</p>
<p>Well guess what, Billkamix, nobody likes a columbia alumni who thinks they are better than everyone else since they went to columbia. You are EMBARRASSING yourself AND your Alma Mater and everything that they stand for. The only reason why people are making such a big deal about this is because YOU are- obviously you have been jilted or hurt somehow by a Barnard girl in the past, perhaps? Maybe this is more about a personal vendetta than expressing fact? Maybe you should look at yourself and why this matters so much to you as an alumni, someone who has already graduated and supposedly moved on. College is over for you- let it still be fabulous for those who have yet to see it end. </p>
<p>I said it once and I’ll say it again, if you are an example of what Columbia has to offer society in terms of intelligence, open-mindedness and eloquence, then I’ll stick to just being a Barnard girl, thank you very much.</p>
<p>Billkaix, tell me one single place where Calmom ever said that Barnard and Columbia are the same school. When you can do that (direct quote and referencing the exact post), let me know. </p>
<p>That will be a long, long time because she has never once said that. Nobody did. She has said, repeatedly, that Barnard students graduate with a Columbia University diploma at a big elaborate Columbia University ceremony. That is true. Whether you want to call it a “fully Columbia” diploma or not (whatever in the world THAT means!!!), this is fact.</p>
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I never said Columbia is better then Barnard. I said Barnard and Columiba are two separate schools and I think Barnard is as excellent as Columbia. Be proud of your school and tell the world that you are a Barnard student ( not Columbia). </p>
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It not my personal vendetta. No one likes Barnard girls pretending as Columbia student/graduate. People from other Ivy schools and other colleges know exacty what Barnard is. You don’t believe this ? Why don’t you introduce yourself as a Columbia student at Columbia classes or at other social activitis and see how people react …</p>
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Again it is wrong to say Columbia University diploma because it is singed by Barnard president (who is not Columbia official) with Barnard Seal ( which is not Columbia seal).
Why are you conveniently forgetting the word “Barnard” ? Aren’t you proud of your school ?</p>
<p>Nobody is forgetting the word Barnard. Nobody has said Barnard and Columbia are the same (except you); nobody here has advocated that a Barnard student or graduate ever say they are or were Columbia students and not Barnard students/graduates. </p>
<p>I am not going into the whole diploma thing with you again. Facts are facts. you are the only one here with a problem. our only problem is trying to make sure prospective Barnard applicants are not led to believe things that are not true. </p>
<p>And you conveniently forgot to address my question re your post #91 where you claimed that Calmom said Barnard and Columbia are the same school. I ask again, where did you see that she said that? And if you did not (as is the case, I am sure), why can’t you admit that you are misrepresenting yet another thing?</p>
<p>I don’t think Billkamix understands the difference between the word “university” and “college”. Combined with the extremely poor command of English vocabulary and spelling and abysmal grammar and usage, I am assuming that he is a non-English speaker posting from abroad, probably frustrated at his inability to secure admission to any US universities. My guess is that he is motivated by feelings of resentment toward some high school classmate he knows who was admitted to Barnard around the same time his application to Columbia was rejected.</p>
<p>You are not listening. I am proud of my school. I am and always will be a Barnard girl. it is YOU who suffers from poor self esteem and are choosing to degrade others based on your poor opinion of yourself. </p>
<p>Can we please kick this guy off the forums or I am going to leave.</p>
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<p>I believe that Billkamix = Collegeboy49 = polimax – violating the rule against multiple registrations, and possibly the rule against re-registration. I believe that moderators would have the ability to check the IP tied with posts to determine whether that rule had been violated. </p>
<p>Billkamix claims to be a Columbia graduate – it is very clear from various errors on posts that can not possibly be true. That would violate the rule against misrepresentation – a moderator could contact him and request name plus year of graduation to easily confirm or deny that claim.</p>
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I never said this. Please stop lying.</p>