<p>Funny how you ask me to stop lying while never answering the question I put to you.</p>
<p>YOU are the one who keeps implying that someone here has said they are the same. NOBODY else has ever said that or even implied it. EVeryone here on the Barnard board is very, very glad that Columbia College and Barnard are very different experiences and schools.</p>
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You are not listening. I never said Barnard is worse than Columbia. All I want to say is that Barnard and Columbia are two separate schools and Barnard degree is not full Columbia degree because it is signed by Barnard president with Barnard Seal.</p>
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This is what calmom said without mentioning “Barnard” at all.</p>
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Calmom also said this.
Barnard students are not enrolled (matriculated) at Columbia University because Barnard is separate from Columbia University. Columbia College students are enrolled at Columbia University because CC is one of undergraduate schools of Columbia.</p>
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<p>Tisch/Stern are one of the schools of NYU. Colleges of Oxford are part of Oxford University. CC/SEAS is not separate from Columbia U. </p>
<p>Barnard is not one of schools/colleges of Columbia. Barnard is independent institution separate from Columbia with affiliation agreement. Do you know that Barnard has its own President and Trustees ?</p>
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‘Attend’ has many meaning.
However,
Barnard students are not matriculated at Columbia University.
Columbia College students are mattricualted at Columbia University because Columbia College is part of Columbia.</p>
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<p>“Columbia University” and Barnard are very different experiences and school. Columbia College is one the colleges of Columbia University, and Barnard is not.</p>
<p>Billkamix: Why do you care?</p>
<p>We get the same poster with many different names making these posts. There are many threads on which these has been actively debated. Even earlier on this one.</p>
<p>I think we can put this issue to bed.</p>
<p>The relationship Barnard has with Columbia U is unique in higher education so it doesn’t fit into cozy categories. It benefits both institutions and sets its own agenda.</p>
<p>I am also done with this. This argument is pointless and I refuse to engage someone who obviously is sociopathic and thrives on the discomfort of others. Even AFTER I explicitly asked that you focus on how barnard and columbia compliment one another, you still engage in divisive tactics. There is no changing you, Billkamix, and I have a feeling your personal and professional life will greatly suffer for it. I truly feel sorry for you.</p>
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<p>because Calmom flately lied that her daughter (who atteneded barnard) is a Columbia graduate.</p>
<p>Nothing Calmom said in the quotes you mention is false. I also attended the Columbia University graduation to watch my daughter graduate from Barnard. </p>
<p>I am finished with you.</p>
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<p>Yes, your daughter graduated from Barnard. (not Columbia).
We are all happy now :)</p>
<p>yeah, what you conveniently omitted:</p>
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<p>And yes, indeed, we are happy about that. Barnard is a fantastic school. Fortunately, my daughter never encountered any individuals like Billkamix. If she did, she never thought that it was important enough to mention.</p>
<p>Have fun with Barnard degree (which is, of course, not a full Columbia degree) !!</p>
<p>I hope I never see someone like churchmusicmom and her daughter.</p>
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<p>Obviously the poster does not understand the meaning of the word “affiliation” – hence his oxymoronic statement.</p>
<p>I have to butt in, though I won’t be a Barnard student for another couple months. The fact that Barnard girls have Columbia e-mails, have to join the Facebook network for Columbia, and are included in the Columbia University graduation ceremony indicates to me that the administration and faculty view Barnard as more than simply “affiliated” with Columbia, even if others don’t.</p>
<p>Congrats on your admission and your imminent matriculation to Barnard! Don’t worry about all this nonsense here, SeasonofLov23. It is generally not a factor in campus life!</p>
<p>You are in for a wonderful four years!!</p>
<p>OH MY GOD seasonofluv I HADNT EVEN THOUGHT OF THAT! that is so true! I have a columbia email and theres no barnard network on fb!!!</p>
<p>Are you a freshman or a transfer? I’ll be a junior in the fall :)</p>
<p>Re post #116: Barnard does not need to be “more” than simply "[affiliated](<a href="Affiliated]affiliated[/url]">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/affil - definition of affiliated]affiliated[/url]">http://www.thefreedictionary.com/affil by The Free Dictionary – the word “affiliated” itself MEANS that Barnard is connected with Columbia – the terms of the affiliation agreement establish the extent of the [url=<a href=“Affiliation affiliation /url - 0 definitions”>Affiliation - 11 definitions - Encyclo]affiliation[/url</a>].</p>
<p>The only way that Barnard would NOT be associated with and subordinate to Columbia would be if the affiliation agreement were terminated. Barnard could end the agreement with Columbia and decide to operate independently, issuing its own diplomas and degrees, as Bard College did in 1944 – but that hasn’t happened and is unlikely to happen. Or, at the other extreme, Barnard could merge with Columbia – as was considered in the 1970’s & early 1980’s – but that didn’t happen and is equally unlikely to happen, given the current strength of the college. </p>
<p>As I posted above, the relationship is a fact - not a matter of opinion. There happens to be a written agreement in place, and the written agreement governs everything. The agreement does not give Barnard the freedom to operate fully independently, because its faculty hiring and tenure process remains subject to Columbia’s control— and of course faculty hiring is central to the mission and purpose of a college.</p>
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<p>Wellesly stdents can take courses at MIT and gets MIT e-mail account and MIT student ID card ( which look itentical to regular MIT student card). Wellesey students can join MIT student social clubs and sports clubs as well. MIT courses can also be used to satisfy Wellesly’s degree requirement.</p>