<p>Barnard likes to say they’re part of Columbia. I said give me a link where an official from COLUMBIA says Barnard is an official part of Columbia University.</p>
<p>Only quotes I can find from Columbia’s website seems to say they’re independent but affiliated. Kind of like Columbia and Cornell med schools.</p>
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Are you serious ? gates ?</p>
<p>Lol, I just read this WHOLE thread. I am not attending Columbia or Barnard and have no affiliations. Let me say this, when one of your arguments is what the gate says…you have no argument. People like to keep asking why it’s such a big deal, but if it’s not a big deal why not just admit that it’s not apart of Colombia University?</p>
<p>Most defending that Barnard is apart of Colombia either goes to Barnard or went their. It seems to me that the majority of people that take both sides of the matter and look at evidence form both sides of the story agree that Barnard is simply affiliated with Columbia and not apart of Columbia. </p>
<p>I understand why some Barnard parents want to think their children are apart of the IVY league though. There’s no way for it to be said without sounding like an elitist, so don’t get mad at jomjom. And for you parents/students who are proud of barnard and don’t even want to be apart of Columbia, I commend you. It’s sad to read how so many parents/students are in denial.</p>
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I think you’re missing a crucial point though: WHO GIVES A FAT RAT’S ASS?</p>
<p>The reason I haven’t read much of this thread, and why most longtime posters on this board haven’t said a word in it, is because nobody whose time is worth anything spends any time thinking about this kind of crap.</p>
<p>All I can say is that I’m glad it’s mostly been contained to one thread, so we know what to ignore and where the actually worthwhile discussion threads are.</p>
<p>Denzera,</p>
<p>Well obviously some people care because this thread has 33 pages. If you can’t notice that you’re obviously as stupid as a fat rats ass. If you don’t care. Don’t post on it…I mean how stupid can you be? Your whole point is no “long time posters” have posted on it…and how dumb the top is</p>
<p>Then why do you keep making posts on the thread? Are you seriously that compelled to respond to an online thread that “nobody whose time is worth anything spends any time thinking about this kind of crap.” multiple times. If it’s not a worthwhile discussion then don’t contribute to it. You must feel so coool huh? Your setting all the people who haven’t posted on here for 3 years staight huh? wooooww I look up to you man. I’ve just realized how stupid it is to give my opinion on a public forum opinion based thread.</p>
<p>I’m not an elitist…but I can understand why you want to feel important by dropping the Columbia name. If you condone lying…you have a real problem. Keep trying to convince yourself that it’s not lying though. It almost sounds like a little kid lying then thinking of a creative way to convince themselves it’s the truth.</p>
<p>Have a good day</p>
<p>I’ll say this, and be done with this thread:</p>
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<li><p>This board has between 15-20 regular posters on it. These are the people who know things that are useful to columbia prospectives and current students. not all are ‘longtime’ posters, but all currently make quality contributions to the board, which is the only thing that matters.</p></li>
<li><p>Aside from some ad-hominem back-and-forth a month or so ago, not one of them is engaging substantively on the issues you mention in post 482. admissionsgeek started to do so and then dropped the matter.</p></li>
<li><p>After an 18-month lull, randombetch decided to start things up in post 426. Most of the posts in this thread are ancient, and don’t answer any prospective student’s current questions.</p></li>
<li><p>The regulars of this board post here because A) we love our school, and B) we like helping people make more informed decisions about it. Some of us are also C) hardcore procrastinators, but the end result is the same.</p></li>
<li><p>None of what you and jomjom are babbling about here helps any prospective or current student, in any way shape or form.</p></li>
<li><p>My primary concern with this thread is to avoid giving the impression that this is an issue of importance to Columbia students or prospective students, because that is categorically not the case. I’m posting here in the interests of putting useful information in front of those who come here seeking it, and discarding the rest. I don’t control what people do or say around here - I’m not a mod - but generally I hope that the power of persuasion (and typing a boatload) will have a positive effect.</p></li>
<li><p>And right now, that positive effect I’m hoping for is that anyone who feels the need to rant about Barnard, and isn’t a current or former Columbia student or parent, will take it to the aptly-named [Barnard</a> College Forum](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/barnard-college/]Barnard”>Barnard College - College Confidential Forums).</p></li>
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<p>I have absolutely no idea where your remarks about “lying” came from (or “elitism” for that matter), but I’ll let that go.</p>
<p>Lol I’ve made 2 posts on this thread…if you call that “babbling” then what the hell are you doing. You keep posting on here over and over again. If you have a problem with it not helping prosepctive and current students…then report the thread as a whole. Because if you go back and read what this is about, my ONE post was actually on topic.</p>
<p>And since Barnard is apart of Columbia anyway why not post it on here. As much as you would like to think you’re important, this is a public forum. I don’t really care if the 15-20 “regular posters” haven’t posted on here. Im sorry I didn’t go through looking for the “regular posters”. And I’m sorry that I could give a ****. I gave an opinion and you came after me…sorry if I have diminished your feeling of importance and not you just feel stupid.</p>
<p>Ugh, this could’ve been taken care of a long time ago.</p>
<p>From the NSOP 2008 Book:</p>
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<p>Yes, now this issue can rest in peace.</p>
<p>Yes Now I am happy to hear that everyone agrees that Barnard is NOT part of Columbia (but an affiliate)</p>
<p>kmhuether If you want to be part of Columbia so badly, then why don’t you enroll at Columbia College ?</p>
<p>What about the line: “Is one of the four official colleges of Columbia University.”</p>
<p>The New Student Orientation Program handbooks are written by Columbia and Barnard University Undergraduate students. They are not written by officials, trustees, or provosts of Columbia University. </p>
<p>To everyone, in the end, most people just go to college for the degrees and college names to put on their resumes. Employers know Barnard College is not part of Columbia University so the best thing for dissenters to do is to just stomach it when Barnard girls claim they are part of Columbia University. It may be annoying, but it’s no reason not to be courteous - they have freedom of speech. They’ll realize their errors once they apply for jobs, graduate schools, etc. </p>
<p>P.S. In persuasive arguments or debates, you will appear uneducated and uninformed if you justify your statements based on what a gate says or what students who have no real power in the university write.</p>
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Oh This line is claimed by Barnard only. Columbia U still recognizes only THREE undergrad school(CC/SEAS/GS.) according to Columbia U sites. </p>
<p>Columbia still does not award degrees to Barnard according to web site ‘Degrees awarded by Columbia U’…</p>
<p>Barnard can claim whatever they want…but Columbia won’t approve it.</p>
<p>All Columbia’s official statement says Barnard is NOT part of Columbia.</p>
<p>Can you give me a Columbia U’s statement statement that says Barnard is part of Columbia ?</p>
<p>you’re right.I didn’t get into columbia, I was deferred ED then rejected. Omg, I must be so stupid becuase I didn’t get in (or I’m not a minority or socialist). I hope you feel all big and tall now.</p>
<p>You…don’t really believe that only minorities and socialists get into Columbia, do you?</p>
<p>No…I love columbia and it’s a great school. I just didn’t get in.</p>
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<p>Entirely true but this doesn’t invalidate what is printed. Students on the NSOP committee who have applied, been interviewed and accepted do indeed write many of the pages of the NSOP booklet but they are not free to write whatever they wish. Each and every page is reviewed and approved by a school official in charge of NSOP for accuracy and clarity. Just because it’s in the NSOP book doesn’t mean that it was made up.</p>
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<p>Ha, I sure hope not. Personally, I’d rather that the officials, trustees and provosts spend their time on more pressing issues, like my sh-tty housing and our endowment. Honestly, when was the last time you saw a orientation guidebook written by a provost or official of a University. The most involvement I have seen is an introductory letter by the administration and deans, which is exactly what appears in the NSOP handbook.</p>
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<p>[Columbia-Barnard</a> relationship - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/Columbia-Barnard_Relationship]Columbia-Barnard”>Columbia-Barnard relationship - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)
[Columbia-Barnard</a> Intercorporate Agreement - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia](<a href=“http://www.wikicu.com/Columbia-Barnard_Intercorporate_Agreement]Columbia-Barnard”>Columbia-Barnard Intercorporate Agreement - WikiCU, the Columbia University wiki encyclopedia)</p>
<p>What is your point ?</p>
<p>You are claiming that Barnard is part of Columbia based on “orientation booklet” ?</p>
<p>WikiCU also says:
Barnard has been claiming that Barnard is one of four Columbia’ colleges…
Columbia U still denies Barnard’s claim and recognizes only three CC SEAS GS…
Columbia official records also indicates that NO degrees are awareded to Barnard students…</p>
<p>If Columbia says Barnard is not part of Columbia, then …</p>
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<p>What exactly does the orientation booklet say? Does it say that Columbia is a part of Barnard? I claim that the orientation booklet is an authority, which I defended in my post above. I personally didn’t read anything resembling the claim that Barnard is a part of Columbia. I also haven’t read anything from Barnard claiming to be an undergraduate college of Columbia University. The closest thing that I have read about that on the Barnard website is that “Barnard is an undergraduate college formally affiliated with the University.” </p>
<p>jomjom, I don’t know how or why you say Barnard claims to be an undergraduate college of Columbia. Maybe misguided students say this but the administration does not claim to be an undergraduate college of Columbia University.</p>