<p>Re post #659. I have no clue how you manage to misinterpret my post so badly. You’ve wasted a whole lot of energy responding to something I never said or posted. </p>
<p>Anyway, I’m not going to bother to try debating or explaining, since I think I made my point clear enough in the first place – and I don’t see the point of arguing over something I never wrote or said.</p>
<p>Here’s a suggestion – the next time you want to take issue with something I post – try pulling out the quote you are responding to. Maybe when you can’t find the words anywhere in my post that you are debating, that will be a good clue that I didn’t say whatever it is you think I said.</p>
<p>No one here thinks that Columbia College is the same as Columbia University. Columbia University includes three undergraduate schools has been repeatedly said in this thread. The Barnard parents here are the ones who are trying very hard to prove that Barnard is part of Columbia University just to the same degree that SEAS, CC, or GS is. That’s simply not the case.</p>
<p>I am a Barnard Parent and I don’t even know what being a “part of Columbia University just to the same degree as…” even means. You are part of something or you are not. </p>
<p>Barnard is not the “same” as any of the undergraduate schools that are either affiliates or colleges of the Columbia University system. I know this Barnard parent (and every one I have ever met or spoken with) is glad of that. </p>
<p>THe only thing I would seek to convey to any prospective student of any of the undergraduate programs at Columbia is that, at least in my own daughter’s experience, there is in fact no real conflict or animosity amongst the students of all the respective colleges. And that has been stated as well by several current or recent students. And I thank them for that.</p>
<p>With the exception of the occasional ■■■■■, I think most here are pretty much saying the same thing.</p>
<p>CC/SEAS students usually have no problem with non-Columbia students from NYU, Julliard, Manhattan School of Music, BARNARD COLLEGE, JTS, UTS, CUNY who are taking classes at Columbia University.</p>
<p>I can’t believe you’ve been following this thread since 2006.</p>
<p>You really need to understand three things:
WE CAN READ. COOL. Barnard is AFFILIATED with Columbia.
As a senior who is planning on applying to Columbia University, your obnoxious posts are not helping my view of what barnard girls are like. Seniors interested in applying to Columbia, like me, who happen to come upon this thread will read about the distorted view of how Barnard girls are determined to be a part of Columbia University, and it will only be confirmed because your obnoxious posts.
<p>"You are part of something or you are not. "</p>
<p>If the relationship between Barnard and Columbia is that simple like what you said, then Barnard to Columbia University is simply another school across the street.</p>
<p>As for understanding the relationship between Columbia and Barnard shortly after the latter’s founding, sure, it’s helpful. But that’s not what is being tirelessly argued over in this thread.
As for understanding the relationship between Columbia and Barnard today, it’s not really helpful. It’s 110 years out of date and a relic of another era. It predates, among other things, Barnard’s deliberate decision to grow more independent of Columbia in the mid 20th century, the evolution of Barnard’s trustees into an a body independent of Columbia’s, Barnard’s Dean deciding that she properly ought to be titled President of the College, Columbia’s decision to allow its own College to go co-ed, and a variety of other developments over the course of more than a century. If you can find a copy of a recent version of the agreement, that would be much more interesting, and helpful.</p>
<p>In terms of the history, it’s fairly simple and there’s no need for animosity: like every other Ivy League school, Columbia was all-male, so Barnard was its girls’ college. However, unlike Harvard, which shifted Radcliffe (its all-girls’ college) into a graduate institute, Columbia kept Barnard as an undergraduate institution.</p>
<p>At present, everyone I know who goes to Barnard/Columbia has no hard feelings. I’ll point out that before Columbia became co-ed (which was really relatively recently), Barnard had higher average SAT scores.</p>
<p>For any one of you girls who are planning to apply to Barnard, please do.
Don’t let some people’s perception of the school prevent you from applying. I am a current First-Year from Long Island and I dorm here. I absolutely love it and I’m sure all of you will too. Most of my classes are here at Barnard and my only class at Columbia is calculus; everyone in that class knows I’m from Barnard because I carry a Barnard bag all the time and no one treats me with animosity. I’ve been to the Columbia campus many times but I do not pretend to be one of them, whenever I meet someone I tell them that I am a Barnard student. Everyone at Barnard is happy to be here, except for the occasional girl who pretends she goes to Columbia but we all know she goes to Barnard. I would say be proud to go to Barnard, its prestigious and there is a much close knit atmosphere here than there would ever be at Columbia. It is much smaller (~530 girls per class) and that’s why I chose Barnard because I wanted to be able to communicate with my professors and have the extra attention. Even though Columbia is an ivy-league, I prefer the professors here at Barnard than at Columbia. Professors here are actually interested in teaching, getting to know you and the classes are much smaller.
As for the whole Barnard/Columbia relationship, I have had some instances when my Columbia friends said that Barnard is not part of Columbia but I just ignored the comment. As i said, I do not pretend to be a Columbia student and I’m proud to be at Barnard and I am SOO glad that I chose this place over any other school. However, some people do not know what Barnard is so sometimes I just say I go to Columbia to avoid explaining what Barnard is.
If any questions about Barnard, feel free to PM me.
Don’t let the posts affect your decision whether to apply or not, it’s your life and you shouldn’t let snobby people prevent you from applying to a wonderful school.</p>
<p>Don’t pretend to go to a college you don’t.</p>
<p>If you really want to use it to your advantage when you apply for jobs, you can fudge the truth and say “Barnard College at Columbia University”.</p>
<p>But don’t flat out lie and just say Columbia U, cause thats just fraud.</p>
<p>^ maybe this is because you’re a prospie who doesn’t understand the way things work at the university, but that kind of attitude is naive and, to many of us, offensive. While I agree that more Barnard students should have pride for their college - as a Barnard student myself - we ARE a part of the university community. We don’t go to CC but we get degrees conferred by the university. it’s a difference, but not one that warrants us calling those of us that recognize this as “fradulent.”</p>
<p>In terms of community, I’m sure that Barnard is completely part of Columbia</p>
<p>But in terms of what an outsider can determine from a bit of reading, it is an affliated school across the street, but not an official undergrad school of the university. </p>
<p>Its probably true that I know too little, cause I am just a “prospie”</p>
<p>However, most of the world knows just as little as I.</p>
<p>So, were actually accepted to Columbia, or is it the typical Barnard BS that “I didn’t apply because I knew I wanted to go to Barnard” (code for “I knew I wouldn’t get in”)? If you didn’t get into Columbia, you can’t say you chose Barnard over Columbia – because the choice of Columbia wasn’t available to you.</p>
<p>I think when she said “I chose this place over any other school” that meant mentally, not actually. I don’t think she was implying that she actually applied to every college in the world, including all the ones she was clearly not interested in attending, was then accepted to all of them, and then chose Barnard.</p>
<p>Hope that clears up that understandable confusion.</p>
<p>She did applied for Columbia and got rejected. If she is not interested in Columbia, she wouldn’t bother to apply. She should say “I chose this place over any other school where I got accepted”.</p>
<p>I hate this topic appearing and reappearing … and people twisting others words.</p>
<p>I can only share my daughter’s and my experience. I believe ED is for applying to a clear #1 school and not to be used as a admissions strategy tool. Before my daughter’s junior spring break college visit trip she was leaning towards applying to Columbia ED and was not interested in either LACs or women’s schools … in fact, Barnard was the only LAC that we actually got out of the car and toured (and there were others we planned to tour and after arriving moved on to other schools). Before the trip I was thinking Barnard and Columbia were essentially equivalents because of their relationship.</p>
<p>The we visited is toured both schools and the differences between the schools became very clear. When we got back to hotel, before talking to my daughter, I sent an email to my wife and told her I knew where my daughter would be going to school if Barnard accepted her. She picked the school from the group of highly-selective urban schools in the northeast/mid-atlantic. It was clearly the school that fit her the best and she liked the best … and she applied ED. So we do not know if she would have been accepted to Columbia, Yale, or Penn … but we do know her odds were as good as anyone’s given her academic record. For my daughter there was no admission game or backdoor path to Columbia … given a choice to apply anywhere with a fair shot at acceptance she picked Barnard to apply ED. And yes, it’s relationship with Columbia sealed the deal … Barnard has the bennies of both a small women’s LAC as well as a research university.</p>
<p>For any high school student’s out there I’d suggest you visit both schools … there are both great … but I’d also guess that one will draw you more than the other!</p>