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Banrad dorms are separate from Columbia dorms. Barnard students can not live in Columbia dorms .</p>

<p>Barnard stuetns can not take Core Curriculum courses .</p>

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<p>Columbia University web site says Barnard is not one of Columbia’s undergrad schools.</p>

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<p>People who took open-enrollment courses, at Columbia Business School executive education, receive Alumni status and becomes Columbia Alumni as well. </p>

<p>Harvard HST students who cross register at MIT also receive Alumn status from MIT</p>

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<p>Yes Barnard is affiliated with Columbia . However, no official documents says Barnard is part of Columbia. </p>

<p>The writing on diploma shows that Barnard degree is not fully columbia degree.</p>

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<p>I am not against Barnard. I am simply telling the truth based on information from Columbia web site. If you think Barnard is part of Columbia show me official documents.</p>

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<p>the problem is that the definition is a little blurry. I don’t believe anyone’s claiming that barnard is an official undergraduate college of columbia - if it were it’d be subject to the same bureaucracy that governs CC and SEAS. </p>

<p>Barnard is independent because it chooses to be. a merger was proposed and nearly agreed upon several times, but the issue was that barnard wanted to maintain control of many aspects of its governance (admissions, trustees, etc.), and didn’t want it to fall entirely into columbia’s hands - it would have meant the destruction of the barnard identity; it would have been subsumed into columbia and disappeared.</p>

<p>instead, they agreed upon the quite ambiguous situation that we have now, where barnard is an affiliate, and an integral part of the university, but is not an official columbia undergraduate school.</p>

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<p>Naomiii,</p>

<p>When you graduate in 4 years, you will be awarded a degree FROM Columbia UNIVERSITY, upon the recommendation OF the Barnard FACULTY. None of the colleges or schools within the Columbia University system are empowered to award a “degree” – rather, each represents a “faculty”, and the faculties are empowered to <em>recommend</em> the award of the degree from the UNIVERSITY. This will be very clear from the diploma you receive – which will bear the name of “Columbia University” at the top (in Latin)- it also will be made clear to you that the Barnard commencement proceedings are ceremonial only, and do not entail the awarding of any degree. (You will be told, in writing, that your graduation is not “official” until after the Columbia ceremony).</p>

<p>That’s just the way the system happens to work. </p>

<p>The reason historically that Barnard was set up as an independently administered college stems from a history of discrimination against women; that is true of the Teacher’s College as well, which used to grant undergraduate degrees as well as graduate degrees, and tended to have a student body consisting mostly of women.</p>

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<p>Nope . it says ‘Trustee of Columbia University’ which is different from Columbia University. </p>

<p>Barnard degrees is not fully awarded by Columbia because it requres signatures from TWO presidents (Barnard and Columbia ) and TWO seals from two separate schools. </p>

<p>Columbia College degree requires a signature from only ONE president (and one seal) becaseu their degrees are fully columbia degree.</p>

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<p>Finally everyone accepts that Barnard is NOT official undergraduate school of Columbia.</p>

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<p>firstly, billkamix what affiliation do <em>you</em> have with columbia? not trying to be hostile, but out of curiosity, why is this issue relevant to you anyway?</p>

<p>“it says ‘Trustee of Columbia University’ which is different from Columbia University.”</p>

<p>NO. the same title is on columbia degrees (in latin)
[Google</a> Image Result for <a href=“Calder Library | University of Miami Libraries”>Calder Library | University of Miami Libraries](<a href=“http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://calder.med.miami.edu/papper/images/bio/17%2520columbia%2520college.jpg&imgrefurl=http://calder.med.miami.edu/papper/biography.html&usg=__zI9K6Ld96FCmZoI_--UXv6ty7bk=&h=642&w=871&sz=132&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=_yooXxGROdv-PM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=197&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcolumbia%2Bdegree%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D780%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=408&ei=kZ4jTcijC8SAlAfM9fDHBQ&oei=TJ4jTdj8E8Tflgfqx_3LCw&esq=3&page=1&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=116&ty=76]Google”>http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://calder.med.miami.edu/papper/images/bio/17%2520columbia%2520college.jpg&imgrefurl=http://calder.med.miami.edu/papper/biography.html&usg=__zI9K6Ld96FCmZoI_--UXv6ty7bk=&h=642&w=871&sz=132&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=_yooXxGROdv-PM:&tbnh=145&tbnw=197&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcolumbia%2Bdegree%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1440%26bih%3D780%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=408&ei=kZ4jTcijC8SAlAfM9fDHBQ&oei=TJ4jTdj8E8Tflgfqx_3LCw&esq=3&page=1&ndsp=27&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=116&ty=76)</a></p>

<p>“Columbia University web site says Barnard is not one of Columbia’s undergrad schools.”</p>

<p>we are not claiming it is one of columbia’s undergrad schools. we are, at least i am, merely saying that it is part of the university.</p>

<p>“People who took open-enrollment courses, at Columbia Business School executive education, receive Alumni status and becomes Columbia Alumni as well.
Harvard HST students who cross register at MIT also receive Alumn status from MIT”</p>

<p>can you provide a reference link to confirm this?</p>

<p>“The writing on diploma shows that Barnard degree is not fully columbia degree”</p>

<p>In what way does it show this? i highly doubt it says on the degree *not a full columbia degree… HA. Calmom’s post sums it up pretty well.</p>

<p>“Barnard degrees is not fully awarded by Columbia because it requres signatures from TWO presidents (Barnard and Columbia ) and TWO seals from two separate schools.
Columbia College degree requires a signature from only ONE president (and one seal) becaseu their degrees are fully columbia degree.”</p>

<p>in what way does this at all show that it is not fully a columbia degree? this point does not exhibit sound logic, and does not support your argument whatsoever.</p>

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<p>joso, from what I recall, the merger was also hampered by the dispute of science professors at barnard and columbia over who should have tenure (as their qualifications are different).</p>

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<p>Beause Barnard diplomas require signature from an non-Columbia official (e.g Barnard president) and non-Columbia seal (Barnard seal), they are not fully Columbia degree.<br>
Because all signatures and Seals on CC/SEAS/GS diploma are from Columbis , they are full Columbia degree. </p>

<p>Here is the list of full columbia degrees awarded by Columbia University.
Barnard is not listed therer. UNIVERSITY TOTAL does not included Barnard graduates.
<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/degrees%20and%20certificates%20awarded%202009-2010.htm[/url]”>Columbia OPIR;

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Here is the link for Harvard business school executive educaiton.<br>
[Advanced</a> Management Program - Alumni Status - Executive Education Program - Harvard Business School](<a href=“Advanced Management Program Overview - Executive Education - Harvard Business School”>Advanced Management Program Overview - Executive Education - Harvard Business School)</p>

<p><a href=“http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/execed/connected/article/481114/A+Conversation+with+Keith+Sanders%3A+On+Earning+Alumni+Status[/url]”>http://www4.gsb.columbia.edu/execed/connected/article/481114/A+Conversation+with+Keith+Sanders%3A+On+Earning+Alumni+Status&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Columbia College degrees require dual signatures as well; in the case of Columbia, it is from the University President and the Columbia College Dean. Historically, the head of faculty at Barnard was called “Dean” up until 1952, when “Dean” Millicent McIntosh assumed the new title. As far as I can tell, her duties did not change. See: [Barnard</a> College, the McIntosh Years](<a href=“http://beatl.barnard.columbia.edu/barnard/timelines/bc1947.htm]Barnard”>http://beatl.barnard.columbia.edu/barnard/timelines/bc1947.htm)</p>

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<p>guys… who cares?
if calmom needs to comfort herself by saying that her daughter goes to columbia, if that is what lets her sleep peacefully at night, why not just stop arguing with her?
yes, calmom, your daughter goes to columbia. yay. go you. here’s a bone!<333
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as for everyone else, who cares if some of the barnard girls claim to go to columbia? not every barnard girl does so, so it’s not fair to harrass the entire barnard student body for the actions of a few of its members. even if all barnard girls were prestige wh*res (which they arent!!) it’s still a little low of the columbia students to get so upset about it. who cares?
i hope the class of 2015 learns to just chill.</p>

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<p>Joso, you’re a prefrosh so you don’t realize this. But the reason that this thread has over 50 pages is because bilkamix is a pathetic ■■■■■ who fills pages and pages of posts splitting the same insignificant hairs over and over again. Regular posters have just stopped responding to him altogether, which is probably the best strategy.</p>

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<p>pwoods, i realized a bit too late, unfortunately haha. just started to get a little worked up after he kept being incessantly illogical. my b for feeding the ■■■■■ LMAO. PEACE OUT</p>

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<p>i know this thread is ancient, but according to my Barnard acceptance letter:</p>

<p>“Barnard is both an independently incorporated educational institution AND an official college of Columbia University–a unique position in the world of higher education that simultaneously affords it self-determination and a rich, value-enhancing partnership.”</p>

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<p>and also, from the Columbia website:</p>

<p>“Columbia University was founded by royal charter as King’s College in 1754 and renamed in 1784. Barnard College was established in 1889 as both an independently incorporated educational institution for women and as one of the four official colleges of Columbia University. Each institution has its own applicant pool and admissions process; is governed by its own Board of Trustees; has its own budget; raises its own funds; and builds its own endowment.”</p>

<p>[New</a> Student Orientation Program](<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/orientation/html/bc/faq.html]New”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/orientation/html/bc/faq.html)</p>

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<p>Iwantbarnard: all your info is, of course, accurate. I am afraid, however, that you will find (and you must know this if you have read any of this “ancient” thread) the reaction of many on this board to be, well, not all that supportive (for lack of a better word).</p>

<p>Best to you and congrats on your acceptance to Barnard. I know you will love being a Barnard Woman!</p>

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<p>Congrats, iwantbarnard! Barnard is a great school.</p>

<p>I’ve enjoyed the hiatus from the Barnard is/isn’t a part of Columbia debate. I hope we can continue to avoid the dispute.</p>