<p>sorry to keep this going, but ^that was stupid. calmom, please don’t even feel the need to respond to that - not worth it.</p>
<p>barnard is dope yo. why do people like slamming it? it’s a great school; the most selective women’s college. columbia wouldn’t be the same without it, and i don’t see how anyone, especially guys, would have a problem with it being a part of the ‘social fabric.’ more women… more <em>attractive</em> women, comparatively (no offense, columbia girls).</p>
<p>sure, some barnard girls probably go around saying they go to columbia, but they pretty much do. i mean, it’s part of the university… columbia is in the official barnard title, “barnard college, columbia university.” people need to calm down.</p>
<p>^broooooooo, agreed. Like the part about pretty Barnard girls, hahaha. </p>
<p>i mean, even for ppl who don’t completely think Barnard is same as Columbia College (like myself), I’m perfectly fine with ppl who are like I go to Barnard, Columbia. or something like that.</p>
<p>for now guys, let’s just all have Columbia pride haha
rawrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr</p>
<p>First off, I think we really don’t need to insult one-another about this topic; BOTH are great schools. </p>
<p>I live in Texas, where most people’s dreams do not extend outside of the state’s boundaries. So many of my peers aren’t aware of the schools outside of the state. When “Barnard College” doesn’t ring a bell to some of these people, I will say that Barnard is Columbia’s Sister school, or an undergraduate school of Columbia. I’m not trying to mislead anyone, or lie, but it is my understanding that Barnard is it’s OWN institution, and ALSO an undergraduate college of Columbia.</p>
<p>“‘affilated’ means Barnard is separate from Columbia.”</p>
<p>Actually I think it means they are closely associated.</p>
<p>“Definition of affiliated
closely associated with another typically in a dependent or subordinate position < the university and its affiliated medical school”</p>
<p>"–noun
7. a branch organization.
8. Commerce .
a. a business concern owned or controlled in whole or in part by another concern.
b. a subsidiary.
9. a person who is affiliated; associate; auxiliary. "</p>
<p>Affiliated means they associate with each other and share resources. Barnard is more closely linked to Columbia than, say, NYU, but is still not a part of the college as are CC/SEAS/GS.</p>
<p>Barnard is legally independent and separate from Columbia. but closely linked with Columbia. For example, Columbia College does not need affiliation agreement with Columbia University, becaseu CC is already a full member of Columbia Univeristy.</p>
<p>“Barnard is located just across Broadway from Columbia’s main campus and IS ONE OF FOUR UNDERGRADUATE SCHOOLS within the ** Columbia University ** system (the others are Columbia College, the Fu Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science, and the School of General Studies). In an arrangement unique in American higher education, Barnard has its own campus, faculty, administration, trustees, operating budget and endowment, while students earn the degree of the University.” ([About</a> Barnard College](<a href=“http://www.barnard.edu/about/btoday.html]About”>http://www.barnard.edu/about/btoday.html))</p>
‘Columbia University’ is not the same as ‘Columbia University system’</p>
<p>Your link confirms that Barnard is not one of colleges of Columbia University. Obviously Banard officials know that it is WRONG to say barnard is one of undergraduate schools of Columbia University.</p>
<p>US Government also confrims that Barnard and Columbia U are two separate schools. </p>
<p>I am not IN ANY WAY disagreeing that the two are separate schools, like I mentioned in my post, they each have their own “campus, faculty, administration, trustees, operating budget and endowment”. </p>
<p>but EVERY Barnard student earns a degree from both Barnard, AND Columbia. So although they are separate schools, obviously Barnard is enough a part of Columbia to merit receiving a degree from the University. (which is not the case with other CU affiliated schools).</p>
<p>but billkamix, pray explain the gargantuan difference between ‘Columbia University’ and the ‘Columbia University system’, since the difference seems to elude me.</p>
<p>Barnard web site intentionally made it look like as if barnard is part of columbia in order to trick everyone.</p>
<p>Please note that Barnard degree is not fully Columbia degree since it requires two signatures( presidents from Banrad and Columbia) and two seals (barnard and Columbia seals).</p>
<p>I understand what a university system is in general terms, but since you are such an active presence in these Barnard “vs” Columbia posts I was wanting to understand the specific distinction when applied to Columbia, not generally, and understand why the distinction matters so much to you? </p>
<p>I’m attending Barnard in the fall, but from the people I’ve met and spoken to, it seems as if Barnard and Columbia students both benefit from the arrangement, cross-registering equally, participating in clubs and organizations, etc. without paying too much attention to drawing boundaries. </p>
<p>I dont appreciate the implication that Barnard is trying to deceive people. Barnard is a PART of Columbia. You might be all strung up on technicalities, but Columbia would not be the same without Barnard, and vice versa. </p>
<p>As a matter of fact, there are some degrees that **Columbia ** students can ONLY take at Barnard. So to me, it seems as if Barnard’s affiliation with Columbia matters. </p>
<p>And obviously I would not be getting a Columbia degree, as I would be graduating from Barnard.</p>
<p>[and fyi, “affiliation” means that something “is part of” something]</p>
<p>Officially there is no such thing as ‘Columbia University system’. Barnard created a term ‘Columbia University system’ in order to fool everyone.</p>
<p>If anyone cares to look, almost every single one of Bilkamix’s posts on CC are about Barnard…either on this thread or a couple others. One can only guess at what would motivate someone to pursue a single point of view so diligently. I cannot personally imagine a scenario in which anything constructive could possibly be perceived to be a part of such a single-minded motivation.</p>
<p>Barnard is what it is: an excellent Liberal Arts College for Women whose students enjoy the many benefits of the unique and close affiliation with Columbia University, including a diploma which clearly says Barnard College, Columbia University.</p>
<p>Congrats, naomiii, on your admission to Barnard. I suggest you pay no attention at all to the likes of Billkamix. You will not find this sort of animosity once you get to campus. Enjoy your years there!</p>
<p>billkamix, i’m not sure what it is you have against barnard. </p>
<p>first of all, Teachers college is technically an affiliate, but it often goes under the name Columbia University Graduate school of education, and it is understood by most people as such, including people of the university. it, like barnard, is part of the university - OFFICIALLY</p>
<p>barnard and columbia students share the same dining halls, libraries, oftentimes the same dorms. the students and faculty see barnard as part of the university.</p>
<p>ok so No, being a barnard graduate is not the same thing as being a CC or SEAS grad, but to say that barnard is not a part of the university is false. and barnard degrees are granted by Columbia University. what more needs to be said? yes, barnard degrees have both signatures and seals, but if it wasn’t part of the university it would grant its own degrees, not columbia. </p>
<p>also, columbia lists several barnard alums as alumni of columbia university. check this out: 3 of the TOP TEN of columbia’s official ‘greatest alumni’ are from BARNARD. </p>
<p>zora neale hurston, whom a professor title is named after at COLUMBIA was a barnard grad. and to clarify, i’m a guy who will be at Columbia College next year, so don’t try and claim the ‘biased’ card.</p>