<p>Hi, I'm a junior in HS, and I am currently living in Fl, I plan on majoring in business, looking into finance or CIS. My high school weighted gpa is a 4.2 and unweighted is a 3.5. 27 ACT! I want too go to Fordham, but it's expensive and might just transfer after two years at Baruch! I have heard that Baruch has one of the best business schools in the country, probably not comparable to the ivies and NYU. But I don't want too stay in NYC all my life, my main question was how's baruchs reputation in California? Like can I do undergrad at Baruch and apply to a UC and do graduate in California? Or is that going to be very difficult? I will have high grades as I have take honors classes since seventh grade and about 7 AP classes! Please let me know! Thanks!</p>
<p>Baruch is not particularly well known outside of the Northeast, but you can still potentially do graduate work in California regardless of where you go for undergrad. Grad school admission is more about what you did in college, not about where you went. I do think Baruch is a surprising choice for an out of state student who doesn’t want to stay near NYC. Why are you focused on going to college there if you don’t want to live there?</p>
<p>No. Baruch is not well known at all except in certain circles. It’s accounting program, for example, is very well known and can stand on its own with what it offers there. Though, when it comes to graduate school, I don’t think going to Baruch is going to hurt you. Most all schools look at grades, GRE results and teachers recs, and the interest and knowledge of the field of study when looking at graduate school candidates. I know a number of major universities looking at grad school candidates and the school name counts but a smidgeon in the process. HPY kids who are cavalierly picking a field to study routinely get turned down over someone from a small local school who has taken the courses and demonstrated a true interest and knowledge in the field. AT this point passion AND knowledge for/or the are is a crucial element, not where you have gone to school.</p>
<p>But the fact of the matter, is that Baruch is not a school I’d recommend to an out of stater who does not have significant ties to the NYC area. It’s a city schoool, and though it does offer some housing, it does not have the amenities that a school like Fordham, or that a number of the SUNYs offer to those coming right out of high school. Someone bound and determined to stay in NYC, maybe. But just the nature of the student body, and the lack of facilities for all but a small number of those living on campus is something that would make me hesitate in recommending it, or any of the CUNYs to someone out of state. </p>
<p>Thank Hanna and cptofthehouse so much for the information and feedback! Well the main reason I want too go to Baruch is because it has a really good business program and also it’s a bang for the buck! They just got a whole building for campus housing with like 160 rooms or something. I want too stay in NYC for awhile, and I want too intern on Wall Street and see what it’s like, and for grad school I want to go to USC or a UC in California. That’s why I was wondering if it would be possible to get a good job and be able to go to a UC, while doing undergrad at Baruch, i am thinking of NYU Polytechnic, but don’t know for sure! I do plan on hopefully transferring to NYU after two years, since money is a problem for me, that’s why. I can take out loans and get good financial aid, but I don’t want to go $100,000 in debt for just undergrad. California is too expensive for me for undergrad, that’s why I want too go to NYC for undergrad get a few interns on Wall Street and then go to a UC and work in California. What do you guys think?</p>
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You need to look at the threads in the Financial Aid forum before you get too much further. As a student YOU are limited to $5.5K in loans as a freshman. And NYU does NOT offer good financial aid. Unless your family can pay $60K+/year for NYU that shouldn’t even be a consideration. Do you know what you’d have to pay for Baruch as an out-of-state student? </p>
<p>NYU Poly has good financial aid though (however with the absorption into NYU it may lose that advantage).
Baruch’s OOS fees are rather low, but housing alone is over $11,000, add food, textbooks, common expenses and you quickly reach $30,000 for which there’s no financial aid unless you get into Macaulay (in which case you can even get free housing, I think). For that cost, you don’t have a campus and you don’t have a college experience.
Rather than Baruch, why don’t you look at Fordham or Hofstra, tryong to get scholarships as a freshman (merit scholarships are not available to transfers)?Your best bet for a merit scholarship would be to increase your ACT score though.
You can also look at colleges a little outside the city, such as Manhattan, Marist, SUNY New Paltz…</p>
<p>I respectfully disagree with the posts above. I live in NYC and admittedly I’m biased as a result. But while Baruch may not be that known out of state, Zicklin is. Zicklin is the business school of Baruch. <a href=“http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/”>http://zicklin.baruch.cuny.edu/</a> Just as Wharton students often say they attend Wharton rather than UPenn, Baruch business students tend to say they attend Zicklin, especially when they interview out of state. Zicklin DOES have a great rep. </p>
<p>BTW, Manhattan College is IN the City (unless you don’t include the Bronx in the City) and Marist is in Poughkeepsie which certainly is NOT just "a little outside the city. " SUNY New Paltz is also a signficant distance from NYC. Nobody here would advise Hofstra over Zicklin for business. </p>
<p>jonri, I meant it as “can easily go on weekends, 1-2 hours away, and can easily get an internship from” - Poughkeepsie really is “just outside the city” 
when you’re not living in NYC.
You’re right for Manhattan, I meant Manhattanville which I think is in Purchase. (Manhattan has lousy financial aid).
I agree that Baruch (Zicklin in particular) is well-known in the Northeast. But fact is, for OP’s stats, Macaulay is very uncertain and costs at Baruch are very high despite appearances, so hedging your bets and including some lower-level schools that will provide some merit aid can be a good strategy.
And Hofstra’s better than St Joe’s and Pace, right?</p>
<p>Well, we can agree that it takes about 1.5 hours on Amtrak to get from the Poughkeepsie train station to Penn Station. (MetroNorth takes a bit longer.) Whether that’s “just outside the city” is a matter of opinion, I guess. I note that’s more time than it takes to get to Philadelphia from NYC even on a regular Amtrak train. </p>
<p>St. Joe’s??? Do you mean St. John’s? </p>
<p>I can’t check the undergraduate business rankings on US News because I don’t have a Compass account. However, for graduate programs, Zicklin ranks #82. Fordham ranks 92. Pace, St. John’s, and Hofstra are all unranked. (Rankings go up to 104. ) </p>
<p>I would not recommend Manhattanville for business. Manhattan does have a good business program. </p>
<p>I think Zicklin is a better choice than any of the colleges you’ve recommended if the OP doesn’t want a traditional college campus life. If he does, that’s a different matter. </p>
<p>St Joseph,in Brooklyn.
I am not saying we disagree about the colleges’qualities, but I’m trying to think of colleges that would be likely to offer financial aid/merit aid to OP based on the stats above AND are near NYC. (OP is in Florida: trust me, Poughkeepsie WILL seem near the city).
I agree Philadelphia can be reached easily by train too, but Poughkeepsie is within NYC’s area of influence/“region”, whereas Philadelphia isn’t.
OP can look into colleges in Philadelphia, but those that would be matches are also fairly bad at financial aid.
Baruch from OOS is not easy socially, add to this the cultural adaptation due to coming from the South – especially as a freshman, even with the new residence hall that’s been built. It’s also very expensive, but costs are deceptive because OOS tuition is low (housing doubles that, plus food, transportation, books, misc.) So Baruch is a good choice but if OP is definitive in this idea of spending time in NYC for undergrad, then working, then going to CA, but s/he needs to make several back up plans beside counting on Baruch and NYU Poly.</p>
<p>@manu43va: start by running the Net price calculators for each of these colleges. Then bring the results to your parents. Which ones are eliminated right off the bat? Are there any on the list that don’t interest you? Which ones are left once that first basic list has been culled?</p>
<p>It’d really help if you could provide a budget (how much you can afford) or your EFC, whether you’ll need financial aid or merit aid.</p>
<p>Would you be open to attending college in big cities in the Northeast but NOT in NYC?</p>
<p>I think St. Joe’s is a good little college, but would never think of it for business–though I just checked and it does offer business. I think of it as a LAC. St. John’s is better known for business. That might be an option too. It has much more of a traditional campus feel, but many students are commuters.<a href=“http://www.stjohns.edu/student-life/queens-campus-life”>http://www.stjohns.edu/student-life/queens-campus-life</a> It does give merit aid. </p>
<p>While I think that Marist and New Paltz are both great schools, you couldn’t easily do an internship from either of them. Marist to NYC would take around 2 hours (factoring in time to get from Metro-North/Penn Station to Financial District, and also getting to the train in Poughkeepsie) and New Paltz to NYC, perhaps 1.5 hours. Manhattan College is a different story - it’s in Riverdale and accessible by subway.</p>
<p>I do think that Baruch is pretty well-known for business - particularly within the city of NYC and the Northeast. I’m not sure about out West, but as someone already mentioned what you do in college is far more important than where you go (although you also shouldn’t select graduate school solely based upon location, and given that you’re not yet in college, I think you should focus on selecting an undergraduate school first). Baruch’s total CoA will probably be around $35,000 for an OOS, which may be comparable to what it would cost for you to go to UF or FSU. BUT you’re probably more likely to get financial aid to one of those schools (like Bright Futures), where financial aid from Baruch would likely be limited. Also note that Macaulay only pays for the first 2 years of housing, and after that you have to find an off-campus apartment. The area around Baruch is expensive so you will have to commute from somewhere else.</p>
<p>Baruch is unheard/rarely heard of in California. This is the first time hearing about that school.</p>
<p>Parent here. I work on Wall Street in NYC. Baruch, while not the top of the list for recruiting, does have an excellent
reputation for helping kids get internships. It does have a top Finance program. The main problem is it’s optimal
for locals. Living in NYC is very expensive, far more than the tuition. If cost is a major factor,
NYC is not the place to go. And Baruch dorm is about 30-40 minute commute from campus, you should know.
Most kids commute at least that far or further. This is a commuter school for people who either have family/friends in the area, or will be very proactive in joining clubs, playing sports to meet people. Academically very good for Finance though, just not as economical as you think, and nothing close to a traditional college experience.</p>
<p>If you get good grades at any decent college, and do well on grad entrance exams, you can hopefully afford
more options in grad school.</p>
<p>So the reason Baruch is not well known nationally, is it’s grads are locals, and many stay local.
Common for many public schools, especially commuter colleges. It is one of the most selective public
schools out there, not quite Michigan or UVA, but Baruch has a 20% acceptance rate. That’s pretty
low. UVA, UNC have 30+% rates. UC Berkeley is a bit over 20% rate. Issue is more that it’s a commuter
school, so does not get on the radar for national students.</p>
<p>It just doesn’t make any sense to me to pay all this money to go to an okay school in NYC when you want to end up in California. Going to NYC to save money because California is so expensive is jumping from the frying pan into the fire.</p>
<p>Plenty of kids from UF and the like intern on Wall Street during the summer.</p>
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<p>If you mean working off the books for an individual registered rep (stockbroker), yes. If you mean getting a summer analyst job, I doubt it. It’s been a long time now, but one summer my kid had one of those jobs. I think there were roughly 25 kids that year.Almost half were from Wharton. One kid was from an out of state public. He went through the alumni directory and wrote to every alum from his school who worked on Wall St–most had gotten MBAs from top tier programs. One went to bat for him and got him a job. So, it’s possible, but I doubt that there are “plenty” of kids from “UF and the like.” </p>
<p>That said, I agree with blevine that it’s mostly a commuter school and doesn’t offer the traditional experience. </p>
<p>I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade, but…someone with a 27 ACT has VERY little chance of getting into Macaulay. </p>
<p>OP probably wants to visit the country. What doesn’t make sense to me is wanting to attend school in NYC in order to intern/work there… then immediately move elsewhere. But I suppose it’s impossible to think of being 25 when you’re 17, so that 4 years going to college sounds like a long time period already? The plan may well change.
However no matter how good Baruch is, I’m really not sure it’s a good idea to attend from OOS, especially from FL.
Attending college in FL and choosing it for the career center’s and study-away’s opportunities in NYC, then moving to NYC (for grad school or work or whatever) sounds like a better plan.
Or why not apply to one of California’s private colleges that meets need, such as Pitzer or Occidental, or try to get merit scholarships at LMU, Chapman, or Whittier - and attend college there right away?</p>
<p>If you define “Wall Street” to mean summer analyst jobs at the big banks, I agree that there aren’t many UF kids, but there aren’t Baruch kids, either. The OP is not competitive for Wharton/Harvard/etc., so that entire tier of jobs is probably just out of reach. He’s comparing Baruch to options like Florida schools or perhaps some lower-ranked schools in California.</p>
<p>Baruch kids have a better chance, just because they are local–and because Baruch is good at career advisement. <a href=“http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/careers/index.htm”>http://www.baruch.cuny.edu/careers/index.htm</a> Listen to some of the STARR stories; note where the first (Oleg Langbort) worked. 5 internships at the top banks. First job out of school was junior analyst at JP Morgan. IME, it’s easier to break into the big banks if you can work or intern at one during the school year. </p>
<p>As an analogy, I wouldn’t recommend going to Cardozo if you want BIGLAW, but if you want NYC BIGLAW, you’re better off going there than to a law school of the same rank in California. YMMV. </p>
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<p>Baruch’s reputation is probably non-existent in California outside of specialized industries and among east coast transplants. That said, its reputation among academics is probably pretty well known. It’s certainly not an elite university, but is likely respected. It’s probably no more respected than UF however. Like the others I would recommend staying in Florida and moving to California afterwards. California’s a very expensive state to live in, and if you want to live here you’ll be glad you lack significant debt.</p>
<p>If you work hard, you can be successful no matter where you go to school. Here’s an example from an FSU grad:</p>
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