Basic question on process of becoming a lawyer...

<p>First I'd like to say that I'm pretty dead set on going to college (17 senior in HS now) and focusing to go into iBanking. But I'm still young and I really want to explore and gain knowledge about other major careers.</p>

<p>For becoming a lawyer, I understand the major that is usually studied is English, History, Political Science, to name a few.</p>

<p>So let's say one goes and studies PS. And then you take the LSAT. Then it's law school. What are the requirements of getting accepted into a good law school. Assuming I go to a state school, what are the chances of going into an Ivy League or top tier law school? I'm guessing I need high LSAT scores and a high GPA. What else factors in to going to law school??</p>

<p>And for jobs. Are their "good" or "bad" firms to be in?? What is the level in a firm? In iBanking I know it's analyst --> associate---> VP, etc, etc. How does that go in a law firm?</p>

<p>As for admissions, LSAT and GPA are the majority of it, so long as you don't embarrass yourself on the other portions. The three majors you named are all fine, but there are a lot of other fine ones as well. As for law firms... well, I'll let an actual lawyer speak to that.</p>

<p>Do know that the name brand of your undergraduate school matters a lot in IB, and not very much at all in law school.</p>

<p>Major doesn't matter. School doesn't matter. Extra curriculars do not matter. Legacy doesn't matter. Study abroad experience doesn't matter. All that matters is your LSAC GPA and your LSAT. </p>

<p>I am exaggerating to prove a point, but it is still true to an extent. Just work hard and keep up the GPA. That is the best preparation you can do.</p>

<p>But really, major and school do not matter.</p>

<p>Also, I am not really sure about firms. I am planning on working as a prosecutor or patent lawyer myself. I am sure someone on here has experience with that though.</p>

<p>Good for you for thinking ahead!</p>

<p>First of all, you can major in just about anything that you enjoy in college. However, I would recommend that you stay away from majors like "pre-law" or "legal studies", though it does not sound like you are heading in that direction. I would recommend that you take courses that will help you to develop and that will demonstrate your command of critical thinking skills. </p>

<p>When the time comes, you may decide that you want to work in investment banking (or some other field) for a couple of years (or more) after you graduate from college. That is just fine, and many of the top law schools draw a signigicant percentage of their students (often over 50%) from the pool of applicants who have one or more years of post-college work experience or graduate study. </p>

<p>When you take the LSAT, the only real constraint for you is that your score is good for only five years, and many of the top law schools want to see a score that is "fresher" than that. You should check with the law schools to which you are interested in applying to determine what they want. I would also highly recommend preparing well and taking the LSAT only once. While LSAC (the service that administers the LSAT and collects information about law school entering classes, like GPAs and LSAT scores of admitted students) reports only the highest LSAT scores of matriculating law students, most of the top law schools will average multiple LSAT scores and require an explanation of why you needed to take the LSAT more than once (I wouldn't recommend lack of preparation as an excuse).</p>

<p>Your GPA and LSAT score form a significant piece of your profile when applying to law schools. That said, to the extent that you are "in the range" to be admitted to a particular law school (typically, that means that you are somewhere within the 25th/75th percentile of the GPA and LSAT numbers for a given law school), most, if not all, of the top law schools will then look at the rest of your admissions folder, including your personal statement, recommendations, resume, quality and breadth of coursework, work experience, etc. to determine whether or not you will be granted admission.</p>

<p>In my opinion and based upon my experience, Bosque has vastly understated the role that factors other than LSAT and GPA play. Those are the "make or break" factors, while LSAT and GPA are simply your admission ticket to play in the big game of who will be admitted in a given year. Oh, and legacy status does matter (but typically legacy for law school is only legacy if a parent or grandparent attended that law school).</p>

<p>During law school, you will likely apply for summer and then permanent jobs through on campus recruiting. There are no "good" or "bad" law firms to be in, but different law firms differ in the amount of compensation you will receive, specialize in different areas, some of which may be of more or less interest to you, differ in geographic location, differ in types of clients served, differ in the commitment and sacrifices of your time and hours that may be expected, and, well, you get the idea. You will have to closely examine the information that is available to you through your recruiting office at law school, information generally available to the public through publications and the internet and information you will discover when you interview with law firms and ask questions. </p>

<p>Upon beginning your legal career in a law firm, you will typically be an "associate", meaning that you are simply an attorney associated with that particular law firm. Associates are often categorized as "first years", "second years", "eighth years", etc. to differentiate among associates who have been out of law school for differing amounts of time. Typically, a junior associate (unofficial title, typically first through third year associates) works with either a mid-level associate (again, unofficial title, typically third through fourth or fifth year associates) or a senior associate (fifth year associates and up). Partnership may or may not be offered to an associate ever, though if it is offered, depending upon the firm, it may be offered anywhere between the sixth through the twelfth year of being an associate. Sometimes, there is an interim title like "counsel" that is given, and sometimes there is a layer of non-equity partnership that may be a prelude to equity partnership or may be the final role for a given attorney.</p>

<p>I hope that this was helpful.</p>

<p>Thanks for going through all that :) Answered everything I asked and about 10 more I would have asked :)</p>

<p>"There are no "good" or "bad" law firms to be in"</p>

<p>I agree with everything sallyawp said except for half of the statement above.</p>

<p>With which half do you disagree, Hunt? Perhaps I can help to explain my statement.</p>

<p>I think he was making a joke. "No such thing as a 'good' law firm" or some such like that.</p>

<p>Course, I didn't write it so I might be wrong.</p>

<p>Well, I was sort of joking, but I meant that there really are bad law firms to be in. Firms where the partners are jerks, or the firm's business is going down the tubes, or where the atmosphere is extremely cutthroat, etc. I guess even those firms might be good for some people, but I've seen some where pretty much all the associates were unhappy.</p>

<p>Actually, I think that there can be a "bad apple" partner in any firm, no matter how good the reputation of that firm otherwise. If you are the associate stuck working for that bad apple, you are going to be pretty unhappy. Sometimes, too, the nature of a particular matter on which you are working can mean little sleep, short tempers and general unhappiness regardless of the otherwise pleasant nature of the people with whom you work. Lots of folks have bad moments when under pressure (especially when lack of sleep is factored in). Remember, too, that you can work for a firm with a terrible reputation for long hours and little balance with personal life and end up a happy camper if your work is interesting and if you are paid well (for example, many associates at a firm like Wachtell).</p>

<p>Yes, it is probably always bad for morale when a firm is doing poorly (I'm sure there aren't too many blissfully happy Cadwalader associates these days), but almost any firm that is doing well one day can struggle the next. Unfortunately, there is usually no way to predict for the long term the financial prospects of a given firm. </p>

<p>Unfortunately, doing your homework on a firm will not always be enough to protect you from working with difficult people. Your clients, attorneys on the other side and overtired associates and partners at your own firm can make things tough at times.</p>

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<p>In addition to the possible issues Hunt listed, there are also the problems with firms like Milberg Weiss, or Lerach Coughlin. There are definitely bad law firms.</p>