<p>BC had little choice in sacking “Jags”, as he broke the terms of his contract by agreeing to meet with a pro team to discuss taking the head coaching job. (someone may correct me if I’m wrong)</p>
<p>If BC demands integrity from its students (whether athletes or not) – which it does – then it speaks well for the university to demand the same of its employees (coaches or not).</p>
<p>rjk,</p>
<p>Actually, I never give Notre Dame a thought, except whenever it is involved in an athletic contest, at which point I invariably root for the opponent – unless, of course, it’s a college with a totally loathsome reputation. Thankfully, there aren’t too many of those.</p>
<p>Michigan and Carolina are athletic powers with 2 of the best fight songs(ND has the best).</p>
<p>Par, I am not so sure that any university fight song can be labeled as “the best”. Notre Dame’s Victory March is obviously a classic, but the Victors is just as old and significant. Like all music, it boils down to personal preference:</p>
<p>The Victors
[Ranking</a> the Top 50 College Football Fight Songs | Bleacher Report](<a href=“Ranking the Top 50 College Football Fight Songs | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report”>Ranking the Top 50 College Football Fight Songs | News, Scores, Highlights, Stats, and Rumors | Bleacher Report)</p>
<p>Victory March
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<p>I Never heard the UNC fight song, and I doubt one in one hundred college fans even know it. John Phillip Sousa, The March King, declared “The Victors” the greatest fight song ever written.(2) I am in total agreement.</p>
<p>(2) Michael Hondorp, Fabrikant Alexis (January 1, 2005). University of Michigan College ******* Off the Record. College *******, Inc. p. 118. ISBN 1-59658-163-8.</p>
<p>rjkofnovi – I doubt one in a hundred college fans know ANY fight song other than their own!</p>
<p>Marsian, I cannot speak for all college students, but many Big 10 students, aprticularly undergrads (over 350,000 of them), know the Michigan fight song…and they usually find it obnoxious and annoying! ;)</p>
<p>This said, you are quite right. No fight song, even the most popular ones, are known to the general public.</p>
<p>^Funny!</p>
<p>Perhaps I would have been more accurate in responding to rkofnovi that just as he has never heard the UNC fight song, I had no idea what the Michigan fight song was until he posted the name of it – and I still am not familiar with it.</p>
<p>A lot of people don’t know about UNC’s fight song, but that is largely because it is a basketball school, not a footlball school. Michigan is an old football power, even though they haven’t been as good in recent years.</p>
<p>Also, BC is the only big market school you mention. For jobs and careerwise, not to change the subject from sports, BC will give you an advantage being in a large east coast market if NY or Boston are places you would like in the future. Michigan will have the same effect in Detroit and Chicago. UNC in Charlotte. </p>
<p>I’d take Michigan if I could take it without too much debt, followed by BC, followed by UNC. But you should visit each school and make your own choice.</p>
<p>“rjkofnovi – I doubt one in a hundred college fans know ANY fight song other than their own!”</p>
<p>I don’t agree. If you are a “college fan” you know certain fight songs, because you’ve heard them many times. Sorry, UNC just doesn’t cut it…</p>
<p>informative, Michigan has a huge presence in NYC. I doubt BC has better access to the NYC or DC markets.</p>
<p>rj – Here in ACC country, football takes a back seat (a way back seat) to basketball – so the fight songs we’ve heard a lot are those of UNC, Duke, and other power teams like Kentucky and UConn (although I couldn’t hum any of those others either). So, no, I can’t recall having heard Michigan’s recently. Hmm … perhaps back in 1993.</p>
<p>Moreover, in football there’s lots of dead time during which to hear another team’s fight song. Basketball moves too quickly for that, and most of us real fans discuss stats and strategy during the breaks; we don’t spend too much time listening to the music. :)</p>
<p>“Moreover, in football there’s lots of dead time during which to hear another team’s fight song”</p>
<p>You just made made point. You also fail to realize that football is the KING of college sports. BB is a distant second to third in importance to football in this country, both at the collegiate and professional level.</p>
<p>“Here in ACC country, football takes a back seat (a way back seat) to basketball.”</p>
<p>I think you mean in North Carolina…</p>
<p>“so the fight songs we’ve heard a lot are those of UNC, Duke, and other power teams like Kentucky and UConn (although I couldn’t hum any of those others either).”</p>
<p>That’s because they are all crappy. :-)</p>
<p>My son is a senior at UNC. While he loved his years there, he would not choose this school if he was applying now. He believes the budget cuts have really impacted his education. One reason he selected UNC was the weather - it does get cold in Carolina and it does snow - he should have checked out Yahoo weather! However, the weather is nicer than Boston and Michigan. Sports are great too - a real rah rah school. Although approximately 82% of the student body is from NC, he had no trouble making friends as an out of stater.</p>
<p>rj – Actually, I made MY point, which is that among sports fans, the ones who don’t spend time at Big Ten football games, or watching Big Ten football on TV (and that includes a lot of the rest of the country who couldn’t care less about Big Ten football) have no idea what Michigan’s fight song is. Obviously, it may seem to those who are watching, who hear the fight song over and over (I assume, since with all the time outs, something has to take place to keep the fans’ attention), that everyone knows the Michigan fight song. However, Big Ten football is not the be all and end all to the rest of the country, though – just as ACC basketball may not be to everyone else.</p>
<p>Actually, the reason I can’t hum any other fight songs isn’t because they’re bad (although Duke’s may be :)). It’s because, as I said before, we basketball fans don’t have time to sit and listen to music during games. We’re busy during timeouts listening to the knowledgeable color analyst on the radio or discussing strategy.</p>
<p>So, OP, if sports are that important to you in choosing a college, the lesson is this: UNC for basketball; Michigan for football. I can’t comment on BC, but at least they are in the ACC!</p>
<p>Georgia Tech is also in the ACC. They have an excellent fight song. Clemson, also in the ACC, is also known to have a pretty good one too. They also are more than decent in football. The B1G10 is also know for pretty good basketball by the way. In the meantime, I never knew basketball was so cerebral. I mean, how could football possibly compare? It has to be much easier to manage 22 different players on offense and defense, not to mention special teams. According to you there is no strategy in football, i get it…</p>
<p>Here you go Marsian. </p>
<p>[College</a> Fight Song](<a href=“Quizzes, Trivia, General Knowledge Tests & More | Mental Floss”>Quizzes, Trivia, General Knowledge Tests & More | Mental Floss)</p>
<p>I bet they even play these at basketball games too!</p>
<p>rj – Thanks for posting the link. Interesting to listen to them – although the only one I recognized was Navy’s. One other sounded vaguely familiar; it must have been Georgia Tech’s. Nope, I still didn’t recognize Michigan’s. Note: I never said I wouldn’t LIKE any others’ fight songs, just that most people probably don’t recognize other schools’ fight songs. Most of us think our school (the academics, location, sports team, even fight song) is the center of the universe. However, to most other people in the country, it isn’t. Michigan’s fight song is probably no more recognizable to the vast majority people in North Carolina than UNC’s is to Michigan residents. I guess Navy can claim superiority to both of us on that measure, because theirs is played very often in venues other than sports arenas.</p>
<p>As for strategy: I made it clear earlier that I was talking about the fans discussing strategy, not the sports themselves. I’m well aware that there is plenty of strategy in football; I never said there wasn’t. However, my experience around people watching football games vs. basketball games (on TV or in person) is this: Timeouts in football: Go to the bathroom, get a snack, comment that third quarter is taking forever. Timeouts in basketball: Comments on how X player has shot poorly from the outside since his game against Y school, how Z will ask for a timeout soon because he looks tired, and debates about whether and why Coach should switch from man-to-man to zone. I’ve heard men and women of all ages between 10 and 90 join in timeout discussions on whether Coach will take a timeout after the next possession and who will take the final shot, depending on whether the point margin is two or three.</p>
<p>This may be partly the nature of the fans (again, around here basketball has a far greater following), but it’s also the nature of the sports. Basketball is a “close” sport with little rest time, and it’s easy to see the players’ expression and body language. Football is distant, the players are obscured by gear, and it’s a game of mostly dead time with a few fast spurts. In my opinion, there are three factors that make a sport engaging: (1) a fast pace; (2) no requirement of extensive protective gear to play (in other words, you can see the players); and, to a lesser extent, (3) proximity of fans to the players (court or ice sports are usually “closer” than field sports, although not always). Basketball meets all three (even in a large arena TV cameras are close to the action). Football meets none. Two sports I particularly like, soccer and rugby (which some people say makes football look like a dinner party) fit (1) and (2). Hockey fits (1) and (3).</p>
<p>You undoubtedly would make a different list of what you think is engaging in a sport. Fair enough.</p>