<p>forgive me for my language, i didnt mean to offend.
and no, its not true that "just because" there are more asians at UCB it has a better world rep. this would be like saying that because there are a lot of blacks at Tuskegee that it has a big reputation in Africa. Asian Americans are Asian only in heritage and genetics, not culturally, and most of them do not go back. </p>
<p>As for what you are saying about the SAT: yeah, i remember reading an article about competition for jobs at some banks and top entry-level spots at corporations being so fierce that they will consider SAT scores... It will be interesting what they do 20 years from now, having to consider the students on the 1600 scale vs. the 2400 scale. Hopefully, they will have given up on the SAT by then, it being such a flawed test.</p>
<p>You are being ridiculous on xanga; a few lines over there doesn't represent LIFE. Hello???! Do you really believe people gonna share their private lives honestly to the public ONLINE? LOL! Get real!</p>
<p>By the way, I just saw few posts (I don't have time (non am I nosy enough) like you reading all the stuffs there) there and I can't really tell which group is better off. And you can? Power to you! A guy talks about meeting some hot girl while another talks about music download. LOL! Trying to compare them is like comparing apples to oranges.</p>
<p>TheCity,
It's also not correct to say all Asians at UCB are second generation. I did a lot of interview when I was working at a large computer company in the Bay Area and a lot are newly arrived from China. If they get a job here after college, they get to stay otherwise they do go back. Same with the Indians. If they do, they will spread the information about UCB. That is why a lot of Asians from Asia heard of UCB and want to go to UCB.
It's true in business situation, nobody is rude enough to ask where you go to school but if you have to apply for a job over there, they will look at your resume and will recognize UCB. That is my point.</p>
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I'm Asian, everyone in China knows UCB</p>
<p>no one knows Northwestern.....what the heck is that schoool, some community college?
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<p>LOL!!!</p>
<p>This is the same reaction I get from everyone outside of Chicago and the midwest. Kind of harsh, but its pretty funny. LOL!!</p>
<p>Northwestern should really improve their departmental rankings and research if they want to be known outside of the midwest. Being good at Journalism doesn't mean much if thats all you have. </p>
<p>Anyways, I'm going to China for the 2008 olympics! woo hoo!</p>
<p>NU has no ZERO reputation outside of U.S. and u think U.S. is gonna dominate forever? you can lick some ****!!!! [j/k]</p>
<p>but seriously</p>
<p>it REALLY depends on what u wanna do.</p>
<p>like my UVA kicks NU's butt for business......does NU even have a undergrad business program? anyway. never heard of it..........</p>
<p>prestige dont mean $hit, my friend who graduated from BC is earning 14,0000 a year (his 2nd year) on wall street, a lot of harvardians dont earn half of that</p>
<p>Where are you getting this inside information that NU has "mediocre" professors....
And all the brilliant professors at UCB are busy with grad students, its rare for them to teach intoductory courses.
so really, you're just talking out of your ass.. everyone in Cali knows that UCs are made for researchers, not for teachers.
If you want a school full of brilliant teachers, go to a CSU or private university.</p>
<p>I guess you truly don't understand what a real brilliant professor is like. Top professors at Harvard, Berkeley, MIT, UCLA, Yale do not like to teach beginning introductory courses, but once you get to an upper division course, there you will start to understand what true progressive research and viewpoints are about. Hopefully one day, you will be able to sit in a real lecture taught by a truly brilliant leader in their field, and realize how much the world of academia has to offer young developing minds. I really hope that one day you get the same chance too theCity. Brilliant professors that are in the forefront of their field change your life forever.</p>
<p>I just had a talk with my aunt about which school was better (NU or Berkeley) approximately 30 minutes ago after reading this forum. She stated that she would go to Berkeley because of it's world-wide prestige. My aunt has a few friends in Asia, and my aunt told me that a lot of them don't know what a lot of the US universities are. She told me that she had told a few of her friends in Asia through casual conversations in the fall that I was planning on applying to Amherst, Duke, Dartmouth, etc., and they didn't know what she was talking about. However, my aunt told me that when she told them I was thinking about applying to U Cal-Berkeley, UMich, Columbia, Cornell, and the University of Chicago, they automatically knew the schools she was talking about. I find that interesting.</p>
<p>Thom, Northwestern doesn't even have undergraduate business program (neither does Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Dartmouth, Cornell, Duke, Rice, Caltech, Stanford, Brown, Columbia, etc.). However, their business school is ranked #1. The same can't be said of Echols. I'm sorry if you have an inferiority complex from going to a state school, but don't worry, if you work hard enough I'm sure you can make it to assistant manager at McDonald's.</p>
<p>And Harvard graduates make A LOT more than $14,000 a year. Even you might if you're lucky.</p>
<p>west sidee.... right, northwestern has important "progressive" current research going on. Its considered to be of teh same research caliber as any UC or MIT or Yale or whatever. </p>
<p>SDMA: thats an interesting point... but thats all it is, it has absolutely no bearing on the quality of education you will receive. Unless your goal in life is to impress ignorant chinese pepole, I dont see how your point adds any value to a UC education. </p>
<p>maybe the best option for anyone who wants to go to UC just for teh access to top profs would be to go to a community college for two years than transfer. At a JC, you'll get attention and help from good teachers who really want to be there. These are the two years where at a UC you wouldnt get any attention and would struggle through intro classes. Then you could transfer and enjoy all of the perks of having great profs teaching your classes.
strikingly though, UCB didnt make PR's list of schools where profs bring material to life... so there goes that whole argument anyways.</p>
<p>to summarize: First two years at berk - overcrowded, no attention
First two years at NU - no overcrowding, attention in most of your classes
Final two years at berk = final two years at NU
probability of getting all your classes in order to graduate in four years = much much higher at NU than UCB</p>
<p>The City, my goal in life isn't to "impress ignorant chinese people." I just thought that I should point that interesting tid bit out there. I have not stated in any way, shape, or form that the University of California--Berkeley is better than NU. I just find it interesting how people view US institutions outside of the US, and how certain universities in the US aren't as known outside of the country compared to Harvard, UCal-Berkeley, UMich, Cornell, MIT, U of Chicago among a few.</p>
<p>^ uc_benz, I would try to cut down on the racism somewhat against Chinese and Asians. Most farmers in the midwest would not agree with you that no one cares what the Chinese think. Chinese are the number one buyers of soybeans, wheat, corn etc... in the US. States like Minnesota, South Dakota, Iowa, North Dakota, Texas, Ohio, Georgia, Illinois, North Carolina, Kentucky, North Carolina, etc... make billions of dollars off Asian countries that buy produce from USA farming families that struggle to even send their children to local and private colleges. Unfortunately, these farming families weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths like you, they actually have to work and struggle to send their children to school. </p>
<p>So before you imply that Northwestern University and midwest region "doesn't care what the Chinese, British, Europeans, Japanese, Koreans, Australians, Latin Americans etc... think", I would have to say that a lot of farming families in the midwest would disagree with you, and most likely, so would Northwestern.</p>