<p>You must have gotten your Ph.D. in spin at Berkeley. I think it's obvious to even a 5 year-old child that we are talking about colleges here, not agriculture. I don't care what the Chinese think about our universities. Why would I? I'm not going to go work in China. I'm not speaking for the midwest or Northwestern; I'm speaking for myself. And I'm sure most of the people in the midwest agree with me that they don't care what the Chinese think of our educational institutions. It has no relevance whatsoever.</p>
<p>And I'm racist, huh? I never made any racist remarks. I said I don't care what they think about our universities. That's the truth: I don't. And that makes me a racist? Oooook, whatever floats your boat.</p>
<p>Another question: exactly what type of investment banker are you? No investment banker has this much time on his hands.</p>
<p>^ One that switched over to hedge funds do! lolz</p>
<p>Anyways, it seemed funny that you chose to single out Chinese, when in fact this is the common opinion among British, Europeans, Australians, South Americans, japanese, Koreans, etc... Globalization is a reality, the free exchange of ideas, cultures, ideologies, societies, ways of thinking, etc... is something only America can embrace and set forth into the world. Most discoveries and visions that make it across the oceans and get reported in foreign newspapers have to be very good research, something akin to a study that equal distribution with growth is possible, or something groundbreaking like that. That is why you see such research oriented, progressive environment universities recognized not only across the United States, but also around the globe. America is the biggest importer of goods and hopefully (if the Germans didn't take over last years figures...) the biggest exporter as well. The midwest farmers also deserve economic recognition, poor farmers need subsidies and a voice in America as well.</p>
<p>Hey benz what's up? actually i'm not feeling all taht bad about state college anymore. i mean, i came to U.S. 2.5 years ago with little English, and i got in Cornell UVA and UMich. I'm sure my family is proud of me. although i got rejected by Wharton, DARN. see? i'm aiming for a good business school, so MIT, Wharton, Mcintire and Ross are my only real choices. I didnt apply for UCB b/c there're tooo many asians applying there.</p>
<p>well, i'm sure my dad will LOVE to see me get in Northwestern, seriously. He's the chief of China News Service, one of the only 2 news agencies in China, so he'd love his son to go into media/journalism.....well, i admit NU is top-notch at that</p>
<p>well, i didnt mean to start a fight, i'm a peaceful Chinese :) did I sound like a Chinese snob? I apologize of I did. sorry :)</p>
<p>well, u must be a brilliant kid since you got in NU, so good luck and all....c'mon UVA is no crap either</p>
<p>BTW: in my original thread, i mentioned "140000" dollars a year salary, not 14,000, hehe, maybe that caused some confusion, my fault.....</p>
<p>good night all (playing the harp is tiring...)</p>
<p>okay, lets try to get back on topic. I really dont think the poster is going to decide on a college based on the price of rice in china... can we please get back to considering things like campus life, academics, social atmosphere, access to profs, and such?</p>
<p>UCBenz, you are assuming Cal and Michigan are not top 20 universities. But in reality, they are both top 15 universities. I would say 5 (Cal, Cornell, Michigan, MIT and Penn) of the top 15 universities have undergraduate Business programs. </p>
<p>And of the next 15 universities, most (Carnegie Mellon, Emory, Georgetown, NYU, UNC, USC, UTA, UVA, Wake, Washington University, Wisconsin) have undergraduate Business programs. </p>
<p>In short, I would say it is not that uncommon for top universities to have undergbraduate B schools.</p>
<p>UC_Benz, I know you were using the USNWR, but do you honestly believe that Cal and Michigan are not top 20 universities? Because you were saying that there was a reason why top universities did not have B Schools.</p>
<p>At any rate, far more than just 3 top 20 USNWR universities offer Business to undergrads. All of the following top 20 USNWR universities do:</p>
<p>Cornell University
Emory University
Massachusetts Institute of Technology
University of Notre Dame
University of Pennsylvania
Washington University-St Louis</p>
<p>Yeah, I guess Notre Dame and Emory have undergraduate business, but I really wouldn't classify Cornell as having one. It's more of a mixture between business and economics. </p>
<p>Anyways, I think you'll agree with me that the reason many of the top schools don't have an undergraduate business degree is because they don't think it is challenging enough. </p>
<p>I'll take the likes of Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown, Cal Tech, Duke, Northwestern, Stanford, and UChicago over any of the schools with undergraduate business degrees.</p>
<p>UC_Benz, I agree that Business is not a challenging field. But to turn down a school in favor of another simply because it has an undergraduate Business program is not necessarily wise. I would (and did) pick Michigan over Duke, Chicago, Brown and Northwestern.</p>
<p>Well I'm not saying you should necessarily turn other schools down, but on the average, schools without undergraduate business are better. However, you can't go wrong with Penn, UMich, or UVa.</p>
<p>I also turned down UPenn Wharton and Cornell for Berkeley. I think uc_benz for the record, did you get into Berkeley? Because 2/3 of the people who went to Northwestern from California that I know didn't get into Berkeley, which is why they went. If so, that is kind of immature of you to be bitter. Berkeley turns down many 1600 SAT scorers, and just because you didn't get in doesn't mean that you are not a quality student. </p>
<p>The thing is that there are areas of California where having a 1600 doesn't mean you will get into UC Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA because there is such a high concentration of high scoring students there. These areas would be Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Orange County. There is such a high concentration of good students there that they cannot possibly all get into the top California schools. </p>
<p>On the "average" do you mean majors? Because I would say that on "average" Michigan's majors are respected than many top privates. U Mich has quite a good reputation in the Bay Area and Los Angeles. And yes, I agree that undergraduate business degrees are a waste of a mind for the most part. Growing your mind, developing perspectives etc... is not what a undergraduate business degree is about.</p>
<p>"I think uc_benz for the record, did you get into Berkeley? Because 2/3 of the people who went to Northwestern from California that I know didn't get into Berkeley, which is why they went. If so, that is kind of immature of you to be bitter. Berkeley turns down many 1600 SAT scorers, and just because you didn't get in doesn't mean that you are not a quality student."</p>
<p>Westside, Northwestern is harder to get into than Berkeley. This is especially true if you come from California because Berkeley's in-state admissions standards are considerably easier. I don't think it's mature to accuse UC Benz of not getting into Berkeley, because it seems that you are implicitly trying to create the misconception that Berkeley is uber-selective while simultaneously accusing him of being bitter. Northwestern is by no means a Berkeley-reject school. If anything, it's more likely that the converse is true.</p>
<p>Rooster, you got into Berkeley and you think it is easier to get in because you came from a California district that is much less crowded with top students than say San Francisco's Lowell High School district. </p>
<p>For instance, my good friend got into Yale with an SAT score lower than many of my friends at UCLA because he grew up in Colorado. It is a much less crowded and competitive district. One only has to look at the minimum requirements for National Merit Semifinalists for California compared to other states to see what it takes to be in the top % of state SAT scorers. There are many 1600 SAT scorers from highly impacted districts that don't get into Berkeley and other top schools because they are in crowded districts, so they have to go to less sought after schools. This is a reality for those that went to high schools in highly competitive areas.</p>
<p>I didn't even apply to Berkeley! haha. So of course I didn't get in. I only applied to one college and I was accepted. Think next time before you type.</p>
<p>rooster, I knew of some one who got into both UCB and NU but chose to go to NU because they offer more money while UCB didn't. I wouldn't say UCB is easier for in-state. Most people shy from applying to UCB because it's a crazy school with crazy kids.</p>
<p>uc_benz, are you sure you're not crazy? UCB is easier for in-state versus out-state but that does not neccessarily means NU is harder to get in for Cal kids either. My example show that if this guy got merit aid from NU but not from UCB means NU went out of its way to attract Cal kids.</p>