<p>Ranking by Times Higher Education Supplement</p>
<li>Berkeley - 200 Points</li>
<li>MIT - 191. 15 points</li>
<li>Stanford - 150.71</li>
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<p>Man, we gotta keep our Berkeley engineers in the bay area, they’re the highest rated worldwide…</p>
<p>Yeah, but I said it before, I'll say it again - how many people who want to study engineering for undergrad and who were admitted to Berkeley, MIT and Stanford would choose Berkeley over the other two? Be honest. Grad school, maybe. But undergrad?</p>
<p>^ That might change after these rankings. And honestly, I never asked engineering students myself.</p>
<p>I know someone from my high school that chose Berkeley over Stanford and MIT, but before anyone attacks me: he is not representative of all students.</p>
<p>I also know of a person who declined admission to Yale and chose to join the army instead. There's also a guy I know who refused to take a 500,000 a year job working in upper-management and chose to go do missionary work in China. There are tons of crazy people out there.</p>
<p>When I was referring to anyone, I was specifically referring to you. Gosh.</p>
<p>I like to attack anyway, just cause it's fun. You can't get rid of me with a disclaimer. Tsk tsk.</p>
<p>Look, at the end of the day, I think we can all agree that for undergrad engineering, most people (not all, but most) are going to prefer to go to Stanford or MIT rather than Berkeley, unless perhaps they're middle-class and are hence not getting much financial aid and hence want to save money by going to a public school. If you're really dirt-poor, then you're probably going to pay the same to go to any of the 3 schools (that is, you'll probably pay next-to-nothing because of financial aid), so cost is not a factor, and in fact, you might end up paying less to go to Stanford or MIT than Berkeley even if you're an instate resident because Stanford and MIT can often times give out better aid packages. </p>
<p>For graduate-school engineering, I agree that Berkeley is on far better footing, and indeed often does beat out Stanford and MIT for the best students. Simply put, Berkeley is a really really strong graduate school. The issue is how much of that graduate-school strength translates into the undergraduate program. The answer seems to be that 'some of it translates', but clearly not as much as you would like. The Berkeley undergraduate program is good, but just not as good as its graduate programs.</p>
<p>It is indeed very funny that all the Berkeley students who are so proud of the Berkeley graduate programs probably aren't the ones who are going to Berkeley for graduate school. It's the Stanford, Harvard, MIT kids who on average have a higher chance of getting into Berkeley PhD programs than the Berkeleyans themselves.</p>
<p>I would have rather spent the most impressionable, funnest, most growth developing years of my life (undergrad) at Berkeley than at anywhere else. </p>
<p>See how vicious life in other undergraduates makes you? I'm sooo glad I didn't have that. Not to imply that people can't change or anything... =)</p>
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think we can all agree that for undergrad engineering, most people (not all, but most) are going to prefer to go to Stanford or MIT rather than Berkeley, unless perhaps they're middle-class and are hence not getting much financial aid and hence want to save money by going to a public school.
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<p>Yes, this may be true before this report came out. however, after the THES rankings and also the respect of the amount of quality research an undergrad at Berkeley may be able to do (projects with Lawrence Livermore etc...) it may sway their mind this year. Competition is what makes our standard of life improve, never forget that.</p>
<p>Nobody in America even cares about the British rankings. US News is the only thing we care about. Because of US News, we know the truth about Berkeley and its mediocrity.</p>
<p>Why would anyone choose Berkeley over any of the ivy leagues, Stanford, MIT, Caltech, Duke, and the top 20 colleges ahead of Cal? You can always go to community college and transfer in. ANYONE can go to Berkeley. Almost NOBODY can get into Stanford or Princeton. The ability to walk on water isn't even enough. </p>
<p>As for Berkeley, all you need to do is go to a community college class with other high school dropouts and apply as a transfer. Admission to Berkeley is seriously not worth as much.</p>
<p>Ubermensch, point of inquiry: why are you even on this forum? I mean, more power to you if it means that much to you, but for someone who thinks that "ANYONE can go to Berkeley", you sure spend a lot of time on the Berkeley forum.</p>
<p>ubermensch. that is what a public school does. It has a policy that cares about the people of their state. Are you really that stupid? Also, the reasons you stated above, and the presence of dumb legacies (Bush) at private schools cancel each other out. However, whereas privates give their spots to money, publics give their spots to poor people who try hard and just want a second chance at life. Why should we be punished for that? Thats also a reason why investment banks and consulting firms ask for SAT scores, to distinguish the outstanding students at each school from the super duper students at each school. </p>
<p>What school did u go to if I may ask? I really am curious now.</p>
<p>My goodness, your attitude ubermensch is so uncultured at times. I would not want to work with a guy like you. What school did u attend that made your attitude like that? I am sure a lot of recruiting firms would love to know.</p>
<p>UCLA. But that really isn't any of your business.</p>
<p>Yea right you go to UCLA. UCLA is a great school. I can't believe that UCLA could produce a guy like you. </p>
<p>Let me see. What side of In & Out is the most visible from campus?</p>
<p>I DO believe Berkeley could produce a guy like you. That's what happens when they accept people who think their SAT scores were the high point in their lives.</p>
<p>Ubermensch, go away.</p>
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I DO believe Berkeley could produce a guy like you. That's what happens when they accept people who think their SAT scores were the high point in their lives.
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<p>Actually, the high point of the past month is that I talked with 40 so professors at Berkeley about election fraud in Florida, and the Sociology department (ranked #1) actually released a news report about that. Every single university has been politically scared to go forward with that story. But not Berkeley.</p>
<p>The second high point of my life this past month was that I landed an offer at a discretionary hedge fund as an Associate. And right now am deciding whether or not to pursue that or this other opportunity... but I only say that bc you brought that subject up. I love being controversial. And I love Berkeley. And I love what Berkeley does for ordinary citizens and the people of California.</p>