<p>Primitive! Are intentionally trying to personify ignorance? Of course abortion continues. I mean, technically if the fetus is under seven weeks, it's legal to kill it off. and with all the pregnant teens and not using condoms these days, what do you expect?</p>
<p>first you say "fetuses have rights when they rae seven months old." then you say they have rights when they are " seven weeks old</p>
<p>and you said seven years primitive.... obviously there is no suchy thing as a fetus that lives for seven years that would be weird</p>
<p>as they're considered humans like you and me, not just some embryo living in its mommie;s tummy. Is that so hard to understand?</p>
<p>It actually is. If they were actually treated as a "living" being then, why is there a debate for stemcell research in the first place. And why are the majority of Americans support stemcell research? My sources:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsbatch.com/stemcells.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.newsbatch.com/stemcells.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.csicop.org/scienceandmedia/controversy/public-opinion.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.csicop.org/scienceandmedia/controversy/public-opinion.html</a></p>
<p>quote:</p>
<p>"60 senators including 13 Republicans signed a letter urging President Bush to support federal funding for using embryos from in vitro clinics for this research. "</p>
<p>If fetuses did have rights why does the majority of Americans want them dead to save another life? Indeed if you did have a "right" people would be disputing over the issue !</p>
<p>OMG, why are you relating stem cell research to fteus rights? Besides, if you're going to attempt to cover the fact that you have a hard time understanding simple logic, then at least use a valid foundation to covey your point. Stem cell actually furthers the fact that fetuses shoulf have rights.</p>
<p>Stem cells are RELATED to fetuses' rights. Hell, its a matter of life or death to THEM! There's some simple logic you can use!! I used sources and quotes to prove my point. what else do you want?</p>
<p>Stem cell actually furthers the fact that fetuses shoulf have rights.</p>
<p>If the majority of Americans what Stemcell research to go on, then how does the issue further the fact that fetuses should have rights? All the support for the issue is saying that Americans believe its ok for fetuses to be used for research to help save the lives of others at the rick of the fetuses' live. :) That doesnt sound like a "right" to me!</p>
<p>What are you talking about? Yo don't make sense. Fetuses have the right to not be aborted. What are you getting at? never mind, i don't care, i'll porbably be greeted with some incoherent insult anyway. I'm just gonna log off now.</p>
<p>I am saying that if fetuses have rights, there wouldnt be any debate over stemcell research, which is a matter of life or death to them. As simple as that.(notice i didnt mention abortion in your above post, so obvioulsy you didnt get what I was trying to say).</p>
<p>Wow, this thread has gotten way off track (about 7 pages ago). </p>
<p>Anyway, I think the best presidents have been:
-Franklin Roosevelt (Great Depression and WWII)
-Woodrow Wilson (WWI and 14 Points)
-George Washington (Founding Father and American general)
-Abraham Lincoln (Civil War)
-Thomas Jefferson (Founding Father and doubled size of U.S.)</p>
<p>Madison, Polk, T. Roosevelt, and Monroe deserve honorable mentions.</p>
<p>primitive....do you know what "in vitro" means?...honestly....do you have any idea?...it means....GROWN IN A TEST TUBE!...it may be a fetus but it's in a TEST TUBE!!!</p>
<p>let me answer your pointless questions before you ask them: </p>
<p>yes, an embryo in a test tube is different from an embryo in a woman's womb...it isn't actually conceived.
no, you're not killing anything in this case, because nothing was concieved in the first place.
no, this certain type of embryo is artificial, so it has no rights, so in my opinion, it's open for research.
no, you're not convincing any of us with the off-the-wall argument you're formulating...i thought you'd have figured after everyone, including both liberals and conservatives had denounced your views continuously throughout this thread and others that you're not coming up with any coherent, valid argument and that you'da stopped by now.</p>
<p>yeah?????????</p>
<p>then what's the big issue!!!...FETUSES HAVE RIGHTS...the only argument over stem cell research is the one that evanglical christian fundamentalists put up saying it's unnatural and that we shouldn't be allowed to grow in-vitro embryos, because it goes against the works of God!!!</p>
<p>including both liberals and conservatives had denounced your views </p>
<p>which liberal?</p>
<p>no, you're not killing anything in this case, because nothing was concieved in the first place.</p>
<p>So why is Bush vetoing the Act in the first place?? So whats all the fuss about?</p>
<p>valid argument and that you'da stopped by now.</p>
<p>come on, admit it. I provided a good argument with valid sources to support it.</p>
<p>This debate is getting pointless. I want to end this sillyness by saying this:</p>
<p>If fetuses did have rights, there should be an amendment or law that specifically states so. You claim that they do have rights but havent mentioned from where you have came to that conclusion. Americans debating the life or death of fetuses in stemcell research dont actully further the idea that they have rights. Case closed.</p>
<p>I really want to talk about a better topic that I have been longing to talk about-- Bush's policy regarding student aid. Anyone interested?</p>
<p>What do you mean by student aid?</p>
<p>i meant federal funding for further education.</p>
<p>ok...considering it's ALMOST impossible to gain the majority required to get an amendment through Congress....</p>
<p>no...nope, I can't admit that you've proved some valid points, becaus eyou haven't...if anytihng it seems like you're not listening to what anyone else says.</p>
<p>you wanna know why Bush is vetoing it? Because if he didn't, Bushes of the future wouldn't get interest group money for their political campaigns...you don't know politics...but you like to believe you do...now go back to your mindstate little primitive...the one in which everything you say is right...because you're not getting it in the real world :)</p>
<p>Because if he didn't, Bushes of the future wouldn't get interest group money for their political campaigns...</p>
<p>Stop making stuff up please!! Provide me a source for this statement. Also which liberal denounded my claim? I dont know politics? If i can support my points using sources, then chances are that I am right. If you are right, show me an exerpt from that law that grants fetuses rights! If you cant, then that goes in my favor!</p>
<p>you're an idiot...that's how politics works...interest group money...Bush's campaign wouldn't be nearly as strong as it was if it wasn't for the Christian Coalition or any other fundamentalist group....THIS IS POLITICS...take a class on the American Presidency...oh yeah...I forgot...you're an oblivious highschool junior that doesn't know anything about the real world...</p>