Best Choice for EA1?

Hi!!
So I’m really bummed out because Tulane had a perfect program for what I wanted to do. International Development with another traditional major plus option for minor. On top of this, I want to do pre-law and peace corps, both which Tulane has great prepatory tracks for. I visited the campus and fell in love, and decided Tulane was my first choice. However, my parents were not happy with this decision. I’m from the Atl area and my parents thought I would get a better education at Emory while simultaneously staying much closer to home. My dad, in his effort to discourage me, purposefully looked up bad reviews of the school, totally bashing Tulane’s academics and student body. I was upset but decided perhaps I was supposed to go to Emory. However, recently I came to realize my dad didn’t show me all of the reviews and when clicking the right filter, one can find god awful reviews for pretty much any school.

So now since I’m back to square one as to which school I should make my first priority, I have some questions regarding the truthfulness of the Tulane stereotypes.

I’m very liberal and attracted to the counter-culture, not so much a fan of preppy style. Does this mean I would have a hard time making friends? My parents believe if you’re not rich, Jewish, from the NE, or a combination of the three you will not fit in.

Also, I do not mind drinking. I would probably participate to a moderate extent. However, is intellectualism and enthusiasm for learning truly sacrificed for extreme partying? I have heard people are somewhat shallow, but I don’t know how true this is.

Sorry for such a long post, I’ve just fallen in love for Tulane and really want to hear that I’d enjoy it as much as I’d hope I would. However, please be honest in responses to help me make the best choice as to where to apply. Also, any insights on the program’s I’m looking at would be very much a appreciated. Thank you so much!!!

Sorry for all of the typos/ grammatical errors. I’m typing on my phone and it’s also very late atm.

@olieaa98

The general demographics of the students at Tulane and at Emory are probably similar. I haven’t really looked lately, but I would be surprised if the percentage of Jewish people and people from the NE were all that different at the two schools. In fact, here is a source regarding Jewish students that puts Tulane at 9th and Emory at 10th! http://www.hillel.org/about/news-views/news-views—blog/news-and-views/2013/08/21/2013-top-schools-jews-choose Can’t get much closer than that. As far as the rich part, I would venture to say that the average family income for Emory students is likely to be higher than for Tulane students. Why do I say that? Their sticker price is very similar, and Tulane consistently ranks among the leading schools for merit scholarships, making the net price less. I will see what I can find about Emory with regard to net price to students later, but I doubt they beat Tulane.

One difference is, as you say, the attraction of New Orleans. Tulane certainly has its share of preppy types, but I would venture fewer than Emory or Vanderbilt or Duke. Because besides New Orleans, there is also the strong emphasis Tulane places on service to others, and the two semester courses it requires that involve being out in the community combining academics and service. That attracts some different kinds of students as well. But I can tell you with great confidence that there are tons of academically serious students at Tulane. There are also a lot that like to party pretty hard. They are not mutually exclusive. I can also tell you with great confidence this will be very similar at Emory. You just might not see it as much if you were spending time at home that much more than if you went away to school. More on that later. But all schools have lots of partying. You take a bunch of 18-22 year old people that have little responsibility other than classes, lots of free time, and most have at least a reasonable amount of discretionary spending money and what do you think you are going to get? It is no more true at Tulane than it is at Harvard, Duke, WUSTL, USC, etc. That’s college.

If you look through my old posts you will see I have used my D as an example with some regularity. But in short, she is a top notch student (summa cum laude, Phi Beta Kappa graduate of Tulane) who had lots of friends that were more into academics and local culture such as bands, theater, art exhibits, etc. than crazy parties. Some straddled both worlds. She is now a graduate student at Stanford, after also being accepted to Harvard, Berkeley, Princeton and several others. So apparently Tulane did alright by her. She is not unique, Tulane has lots of outstanding graduates. I just saw an article wherein 4 Tulane grads were on the list of 100 most promising start-ups, or something like that. That’s pretty amazing when you figure how many are out there and the competition from schools like Stanford, MIT, Harvard, etc. The point is the academics, the smart students, and the environment to balance it all with an interesting non-academic life are all there. It is up to each student to take advantage of it.

Tulane does have some first rate programs in the areas you mention. If you are a top student and you are thinking about going in this direction, take a look at the Altman Scholars program in the business school. http://tulane.edu/altman/ It is very selective with only about 15 in each cohort. But the students that have been in it rave about it.

I can sympathize with your Dad, since as I said I have a D as well. But I frankly would have argued strongly against my D going to school close to home unless she would have made a very compelling argument. She had no interest in schools in our area so it did not turn out to be an issue, but going away to school is, for most young people, one of the most transformative times in their lives. You grow up fast, much faster than living at home or even near home. It is anecdotal, for sure, but I can tell you that even after one semester when I came home for the Christmas break, my high school friends that had gone to one of the local colleges seemed so immature to me. It was like they were still in high school. Maybe that sounds snobby, I don’t mean it to. It is just that real that your ability to grow into your adult self is enhanced significantly when you go away to school. That’s my humble opinion, anyway. And not just mine. There are tons of posts on here from parents whose comments all run along the lines of “When I dropped my child off in the fall they were still a child. When they came home after their first year, they were an adult”. Sometimes that first year was only first semester. Not being hard on your Dad, but I wonder whose interests he has in mind trying to keep you that close to home. Sorry if I am overstepping, but that is just my frank thought. I don’t know him, so maybe I am off base. The important thing is that going away to school is a big positive in personal growth if you have the choice to do it.

Long post I know, but you brought up several important aspects of choosing a school. I hope it helps a little. I imagine others will weigh in on some or all of this as well.

FC is totally on target (as usual). My son is going to be a sophomore. He is very goal driven, and loves the academic environment at Tulane. He finds it challenging and meaningful. He like the small class sizes and getting to know his professors, even going to dinners at their homes. He loves the community service aspect and has been involved in quite a few fun activities (Boo at the Zoo, Gleason Gras,). Socially he is not a partier, and while it took him a bit longer to find his niche he is looking forward to going back. He loves the music scene and all the festivals (just about one every weekend). While we are from the NE, he has made friends with other students from not only all over the country, but all over the world. It has been a very eye opening experience for him and he is very appreciative of this. Coming home for the summer he said he realized how sheltered he was here and how alike everyone from his school, and our city are. He loves meeting people with different ideas and different cultures.

As FC mentioned it does change you. I think my son had a difficult adjustment because he was the only one of his friends that went away and he constantly felt like he was missing out on things back home. Now that he’s been back for 3 months he realized he missed nothing! And while he has grown, his friends are exactly the same. He hasn’t seen much of them this summer- choosing to work, do an internship and take some classes instead. He heads back to Tulane next week for RA training! ANd I think with a new appreciation for Tulane and New Orleans! Good luck to you!

Thank you so much dr all of this!! I will definitely be trying to convince my parents to let me apply EA :slight_smile:

What could possibly the down side of applying EA? It’s totally non-binding, and leaves you (and your parents) lots of time to make a decision, once all the due diligence is done.

The only possible downside is that it might keep you from applying SCEA or ED at other schools, depending on their rules for the latter, if you decide to follow them. Frankly, I never understood schools who say if you apply there ED you aren’t supposed to apply EA anywhere else. As you say, EA is non-binding while ED is binding, so why do they care? Anyway, that is the only reason I can think of.

My S applied to and was accepted to both Tulane and Emory. He visited both schools and really like both, but in the end he chose Tulane because he felt they were similar academically but he just liked the vibe he got from Tulane a bit better. He felt like people seemed a bit more relaxed at Tulane and a little less uptight, while still seeming to put a strong emphasis on academics. Obviously he has yet to start, but his sister also attended Tulane and loved it. They are very different, and he will probably study completely different things than she will, but the atmosphere at Tulane appealed to both. I also would strongly encourage you to apply EA to Tulane because if your grades and scores are very good, you will likely get some good scholarship money, which I think Emory is less likely to give you (Tulane gave my S a couple of very nice scholarships, while Emory offered $0). You don’t have to do anything extra for those partial scholarships - just send in your application (and be sure to do a good job answering Why Tulane!) If you get offered one of the top scholarships at Tulane, then you should definitely apply after that for the free-ride Dean’s or Paul Tulane scholarships - it will be a lot harder for your parents to argue with you if you can show that Tulane will be a lot cheaper for them! Good luck!