Best Choice for Undergrad Quant Finance?

Hi-

My son is interested in quant finance or something similar. Not all colleges offer this so he’s put Math, Finance and/or Computer Science as his majors. He’s been accepted to the following and I’ve included costs. I’m looking for input on which has the best program for the money and best chances for job on Wall Street upon graduation.

NJIT - Honors program, almost full scholarship ($6K)
Rutgers - $7k scholarship; still to pay $22k
Seton Hall - $23k scholarship; $27k to pay
Stevens - $30k scholarship; $33K to pay
Fordham - $26k scholarship; $39k to pay

Waitlisted at Carnegie Mellon - $24k grant if accepted; $44k to pay
Waitlisted at NYU (Stern) - no fin’l aid yet but maybe worth it if accepted? - $65k

Boston Univ & waitlisted at UMich - not in running since no scholarship

My older son took the full ride at Rutgers after some persuading since he’ll probably have another 4 years of med school to pay for. He seems to be happy there. While it’s tempting to tell the younger son to take the scholarship at NJIT, I hesitate because he’ll likely do a Master’s at most and I don’t know if it has the most reputable program.

I assume Wall Street companies look at where an applicant graduated from and know which schools have the better programs. Does the undergrad matter if he ends up at a “brand name” graduate program?

Thanks for your help!

Should be between Rutgers and Fordham at this point. If he works extremely hard and graduates at the top, gets involved with the right clubs, and has good internships early on then it’s possible to make it Wall Street.

Obviously if he gets into Stern go there since it’s one of the top schools in the country for placing students on WS

Hi, @qwertyzxc. Just curious as to why Rutgers or Fordham over Stevens which is the only school, I think, with the quant major? Thanks.

Fordham is in NYC and fairly well regarded locally. Stevens has a very good big data analytics program. They partner up with many companies for research. Accenture is a major partner with Stevens. Big Data (scientist) is one of the highest growing area right now. I think I just read new graduates are getting 100K+.
To be a quant on WS, often PhD is required. If going in as an UG working on a derivative desk, they want someone with very high GPA in math, operations research, and a minor in econ. During interviews one would be asked to do some problem solving. They hire very few and those get hired are brilliant. There is no guarantee your son would be hired.

MBS and ABS are coming back. It is a very lucrative job to do structuring on those desks, and post grad is not required.

congrats on the acceptances. look on each schools websites and see where their students are getting hired. email each schools career services, ask same question as well as where do they intern
do the wall street firms recruit on campus? if not, will be really difficult to end up there.
research on linkedin,different firms and where they went to school for undergrad
all of this info can help make the choice for you
math/econ is a good combination but more importantly, where the firms recruit is most important
best of luck

I’ve never met anyone from Stevens at finance internships / jobs or interviews .Nor did I meet anyone from Rutgers but I know from friends that they get okay recruitment. Fordham is in NYC and students can easily hustle to get internships early on which will set them up very well come time to find a full time job.

If you want quant finance CMU is very good. Stern + Cuurant (NYU’s math school) also a phenomenal option and getting a Finance + Math Degree is viewed favorably and a lot hedge funds and quant desks will be after you if you can complete that with a relatively good GPA. Stern is more known for soft finance (front office client based positions rather than quant but those opportunities are hands down there too just not as touted by the general population as much).

Thank you for the responses. Just a quick followup. Would your advice be different if my son decided he will most likely go to grad school for a Master’s at least? Almost free at NJIT is so tempting!

That’s the problem, right? It’s so hard to predict the future. You never know what he’s going to do - he could go for a master’s or not. And even then, he could take a break of several years before returning for the master’s. And even then, where he goes for the master’s comes into play - there’s a difference between going to Columbia and going to Binghamton, for example, for the master’s.

That’s why it’s tricky trying to make choices on the basis of what you think or expect he’ll do in the future. Unfortunately, you can only make ones that will set you up well now.

If your son knew absolutely 100% that he wanted go to Wall Street and was asking which university is the best to get there directly from college, then I’d agree with the assessment of Rutgers, Fordham, maybe Stevens. The truth is that Wall Street firms don’t really care what you’ve majored in so much as where you went to school, and they tend to recruit at top colleges. A history major from Columbia has a better chance of getting an elite Wall Street job than a Stevens quantitative finance major, if we’re talking about WS collectively. (Quant finance - those jobs are usually held by master’s degree holders or PhDs - and yes, you need quantitative facility to get them. So it’s not quite as simple. Still, I think that even with the closeness to New York it’d be particularly difficult for an NJIT major to gain entry directly out of college, unless they really put their mind to it.) Fordham has the advantage of being located in New York, so an industrious Fordham student could get internships and learn the ways of the city and make connections that way. Rutgers has the advantage of both name and proximity.

That said, that doesn’t mean that it’s necessarily a great idea to pay more, because there are many pathways. Your son may work for a couple of years in a firm that is not-Wall Street and make a series of lateral or upward moves until he gets there. (A lot of people who work on Wall Street didn’t start there straight out of college.) He might work somewhere else, then get an MBA from Harvard, and make his way there. He might get a PhD in math from Stanford and make his way there. And yes then, the undergrad doesn’t really matter anymore.

it also depends on how you’re going to pay that additional money. Is that a combination of federal loans, PLUS loans, and out of pocket money from you? Will he have to take out private loans to borrow the rest?

If money was no object, I’d say that Fordham was probably the best way to get straight to Wall Street from undergrad out of these choices. But there’s a huge gap between $39K and $6K. So what I might do is chat with the quant finance department at NJIT (and the relevant department at Rutgers) and see where graduates end up going afterwards. Also realize that there are many, many, many other lucrative paths within finance other than working on Wall Street.

As for whether NYU is worth it - well, yes, if money is no object and you can afford anything. It’s a much straighter ticket to a Wall Street career. But if money IS an object, then $65K is a lot of money when you have other good options on the table for less than half that.