Best Dorm as an Engineer?

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<p>Although the CoE is situated on North Campus, most of my classes as a freshman will be on central campus (all but one I heard) due to the many Gen Ed classes a freshman has to take. Therefore, should I be living on central campus my first year? Where do most engineers dorm? In all honesty, I don't want to be dorming with a bunch of LSA people. lol.</p>

<p>That said, are all dorms the same, or are there better and worse ones? I heard that East or South Quad was the best dorm, and that EQ had huge dorms and was close to the gym (good for me :P). My dorm doesnt have to be huge, I won't be spending a lot of time there, but I wouldn't want to live in a shabby and old one far away from central campus. Most importantly, as an engineer, where would I be best off?</p>

<p>Btw, the earlier I send in my dorm application/request or whatever its called, there better chance I have of getting into my preferred dorm, right? Its already getting towards may. Is it too late to have any chance of getting the dorm I want?</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

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<p>hey man, im a mechanical engineering major and i think youll take interest in what i have to tell you.</p>

<p>first of all, im curious as to why you dont want to live with a bunch of LSA students.. personally i WANT to live with LSA people, so i can get to know people from all different studies, not just engineering students. Plus, like you said, most of your classes will be on central campus.</p>

<p>there are dorms that are preferred of course, but everyone has different opinions. if you listen, youll hear people talking about how great west quad is, and how much it sucks to live on north campus. others say they love the peace and quiet you get on north. personally, as an incoming freshman, i want a dorm near central campus, near a gym/recreational areas, and one with decent rooms/dining. the ones ive found to seem to be ideal are the ones on the hill which include lloyd, couzens, and markley (assuming youre not a female, in which case you have stockwell too). theyre right by the field, the basketball courts, and the gym building. theyre near the campus, yea theyre also right on the bus route between north and central, allowing you to travel to both campuses easily.</p>

<p>as far as choice, youre given a preference of area but not hall. if i were you id choose hill (it seems like you and i are pretty much in the same boat. and as long as you turn in your app by may 10, you have an equal chance of getting your choice as others (youre entered in a lottery). im going to apply for the hill as well, and im even thinking about joining LHSP which will guarantee my spot in lloyd. i just need a little more info about the program before i apply.</p>

<p>hope this helped.. btw youre coming from germany?</p>

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<p>I would definitely try to live in Central campus. East, South and West Quad are all great, but the former two are primarily devoted to RC and Honors students respectively, so West Quad may be you best bet. The Hill isn't bad either, but neither is Bursley on North Campus.</p>

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<p>yea everyone seems to like the central halls for their room sizes, and food, etc.</p>

<p>but considering you and i are both engineers, i found the bus routes a bit inconvienient for people living in the central halls to go back and forth. the hill campus halls are right in between north and central, and right next to two bus stops, north-bound and central-bound.</p>

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<p>Seriously , why would you not want to live with LSA students. We are not that bad :p .Ill go to your last question since the earlier ones have been answered. </p>

<p>All applications before May 10th are assigned a number through a lottery process and then are reviewd based on that number. So the first bunch of housing applications are reviewed after May 10th. So someone applying on March 9th , will be at the same position as someone applying on May 9th. </p>

<p>If you send it in after May 10th , by then someone of the assigned dorms to freshman would have gone (Central Campus) etc , so it is reccommeded you apply before May 10th.</p>

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<p>You can't really choose between Central and Hill on the housing app. As the other two options are Bursely and Baits, and you dont want to stay in North, just put down Central/Hill as your first option and pray till your assigned a room. As I see it, unless your honors, athlete, RC etc you don't really have a choice between Couzens, Lloyd, Markeley, WQ etc.</p>

<p>BTW I'm an incoming engineer and want to stay on Central/Hill as well.</p>

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<p>thanks for the input. Thats good to know about that lottery process and the may 10th deadline. I'll keep that in mind. And yes, I'm coming from germany :D</p>

<p>Anyway, I didn't get a chance to see these 'Hill dorms'. Never actually knew they existed. Where are they exactly? I guess I could try to find them on a campus map or sth. Is the Hill where most engineers dorm? As long as dorms are decent, not too loud and have decent dining facilities I'm fine. :D If the Hill dorms have this then I'll be happy. Also I never checked West Quad out. Only south and east. Btw Alexandre, you said east and south are devoted more towards honors and RC students, however, can 'non-honors' students still live in those dorms? Is it harder to get into those dorms as a non-honors student?</p>

<p>About the bus-route, I guess being near to a bus stop would be convinient, but I think only one of your classes is going to be on north campus as a freshman engineer, right?</p>

<p>Thats also too bad about the housing application that you can't choose between hill or central. Hope I get the dorm I want =S</p>

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<p>South Quad is about 40% Honors, and youre not getting East Quad unless youre RC, or in one of the MLCs there. and West Quad is usually taken by upperclassmen, so freshmen in West Quad isnt too common.</p>

<p>that said, youre really left with the Hill area or North (not taking into account the smaller houses, (Newberry, Cambridge, etc). the Hill has 5 main halls. Stockwell is girls only. Mosher Jordan is under renovation. So youre left with Couzens, Lloyd, and Markley. Couzens is one-third MCSP. Lloyd is 40% HSSP, and 40% LHSP. Markley is free of MLCs.</p>

<p>Now, if you apply for Central/Hill, you'll probably end up on North, heres why. with the above said, youre not getting Central, you MIGHT have a chance at Hill. but given that a good portion of the Hill halls are taken by MLCs, youre fighting with others for a spot in the remaining space. Most freshmen get pushed out into Markley and Bursley because theyre the largest, and have no MLCs.</p>

<p>the question is, will you take the risk of ending up on North campus? It all depends on the lottery, and chances are, if youre not chosen in the first half of the selected, youre in Bursley.</p>

<p>for me, i see joining a MLC that you can relate to is the best way to ensure your spot in the Central/Hill. Then you can practically choose which hall you want to live in, except for West and Markley. ive been trying to find some info about these MLCs and what requirements you have to fulfill as a part of them.</p>

<p>LHSP is one ive been interested in, and not for housing purposes, ive always loved the arts (they focus on writing and the arts). from what i hear, you just need to take 1 or 2 classes and i quote "theyre blow-off classes." i heard they have no homework assigned, and theyre just easy credits. ---if anyone here has information to change or add to this, please do.---</p>

<p>Now this is perfect for me because i see Lloyd Hall as the best dorm [big rooms, nice lounges, right by the bus stops, between central/north, right in front of fields/courts/gym, good food, has its own arts rooms (including dark room for photography class you take as LHSP).. Its just a great hall. and whats more i think i read that engineers get an exception and dont have to take the writing class!</p>

<p>if you decide to join LHSP, let me know! hahaa and you still havent answered MY question. are you coming from Germany?</p>

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<p>Isn't Mosher Jordan open next fall? Thus, being open to the Class of 2011?</p>

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<p>nope its opening fall of 2008</p>

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<p>You don't want to live on north. Being on Central or the Hill is so much better. You don't need to ride the bus every time you want to go to central, the community is much more active, etc.</p>

<p>North will have its share of kids who are actually social, but you are much more likely to find people who like to hang out and be social on central/hill. I live in Markley as an honors freshman and wouldn't trade it for anything. The guys in my hall are cool, there's always something to do, etc. I think that finding something like this in Bursley would be far less likely. But I guess if you aren't social and will never party, North would be a good choice. No reason to deal with the busses at 2am. Markley rocks. I'd bet that 99% of the people you meet who have lived here will tell you they had a good time. (You won't meet people who didn't like it here because the only way this is possible is if they are not social.)</p>

<p>Also, part of Baits will be shut down next year because so few upperclassmen will be returning to the dorms.</p>

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<p>I said in my previous post that I am indeed coming from germany :P</p>

<p>Btw, could you clarify some of the abbreviations you used? I have no idea what MLC, MCSP, HSSP, and LHSP mean? And why does joining one of these help my chances of getting into a dorm? Thx :D</p>

<p>I also don't really understand why applying for central/hill will decrease my chances of actually getting a dorm there...Are you saying I should apply for north if I want central/hill? o_O</p>

<p>Also, what about the many other dorms on central campus such as east, west and north hall, dennison and tappan hall? What makes the hill dorms so much better? Is the hill where most freshman engineer dorm? I mean Lloyd and the other hill dorms sound great and the "non-hill" dorms prolly won't come into question anyway.</p>

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<p>o ahhaa sorry i missed that.</p>

<p>funny i just answered this for another member here.
MLCs are Michigan Learning Communities. theyre basically a group of students who share an interest in a common aspect, it could be scientific research, community service, or writing and the arts like LHSP. LHSP stands for Lloyd Hall Scholars Program, its a resident MLC, meaning people in this MLC are housed in one hall. so if you get into LHSP, youre guaranteed a spot in Lloyd Hall.</p>

<p>i like the arts, but not too interested in the writing. i read if youre an engineering student, you can get out of this tho.</p>

<p>hers the site for LHSP: <a href="http://www.lsa.umich.edu/lhsp/index.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.lsa.umich.edu/lhsp/index.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>and for housing: <a href="http://www.housing.umich.edu/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.housing.umich.edu/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>other MLCs include HSSP (Health Science something Program), RC (Resident College), MCSP (Michigan Community Scholars Program), etc..</p>

<p>joining a residential MLC GUARANTEES a spot in the dorm because everyone in that particular MLC loves in that dorm. LHSP and HSSP live in Lloyd. MCSP lives in Couzens. etc..</p>

<p>and sorry for the confusion, let me explain. even though you apply for central/hill, chances are youll end up on north, because theres not too much space on central/hill. many freshmen get moved to Bursley because of this.</p>

<p>so heres what im saying, if you apply for central/hill, you might get central/hill but you might get north too. if you get into an MLC however, youll get the hall that your MLC lives in. you can find more information on the housing site.</p>

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<p>Ok that sounds great. Thanks for the clarification :P</p>

<p>I'll check the site on how to get into one. Would be interested to see if there are any requirements to be able to join or if you can just join. Btw, do you think the humanities classes that an LHSP member is taking would count as Humanities Gen Ed requirements? That would be sweeeeeeeeeeet :D</p>

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<p>i just know the college writing course as an LHSP student takes care of the english class requirement of LSA.</p>

<p>o and yea the MLCs require you to apply with an essay. and they can accept you or not.</p>

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<p>cool cool thx. Btw, do you know when the deadline for application to one of these MLC's is? (LHSP for starters).</p>

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<p>sorry you stumped me on that one. but my strong suggestion would be to apply before may 10. you apply through the housing app so you can probably turn that in whenever, but DO NOT wait until after may 10.</p>

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<p>hm k. </p>

<p>You've probably already seen this, but I think it says you have to take the writing portion of the course regardless of your major. T_T
But overall, it sounds pretty challenging after reading it. Ya think its worth it? =S</p>

<p><a href="http://www.lsa.umich.edu/lhsp/Mission%20and%20Learning%20Objectives.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.lsa.umich.edu/lhsp/Mission%20and%20Learning%20Objectives.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>And do you know anything about the MCSP program? I heard that couzens wasn't a bad dorm either next to Lloyd's, so it might be an option. What is their program focused? Writing and arts? Science? LHSP sounds ok, but I'm not too much into writing just like you :D</p>

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<p>hahaha yea writing sucks. but whats thats saying is kinda like, "even if your major is bio, or business, you will improve your writing skills." because in the other requirement lists, it says, "if you are an engineering student, please talk to LHSP staff during registration." i dont know if you can completely get out of it, but maybe theyll give you a different writing course.</p>

<p>as far as is it worth it? i think so. you just need to take one course a semester for the hall of your choice. well Lloyd is my first choice at least. but i dont know, Markley sounds fun too. i just REALLY dont want to dorm on North, so one writing course doesnt seem too bad..</p>

<p>and MCSP? Michigan Community Scholars Program. theyre concerned with community service, social justice, and leadership. youll have courses and events pertaining to these thigns. lemme try to find the website.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.lsa.umich.edu/mcs/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.lsa.umich.edu/mcs/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>but personally, Couzens is great, but their rooms are SOOO small. take some virtual tours of the different halls, and youll see theyre pretty tiny. and food, i dont even KNOW about that..</p>

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<p>Couzens is a great location for engineers. It's right next to two bus stops that go up north. The rooms are kinda small if it's economy, but I think you can classify what room type you want. The hallways are twice as wide as other dorms.</p>