<p>“If you mention Harvey Mudd, perhaps we should throw in Rose Hulman…I believe Rose Hulman is more highly ranked in individual engineering disciplines than HMC, partly because it offers specialized engineering degree.”-UCBChemEGrad</p>
<p>OMG. Yeah, let’s allow peer assessment scores dictate what schools relate to other schools! NOT!</p>
<p>Thank you all of you for replying–to be honest I completely forgot about this thread–sorry!!</p>
<p>I have done some research myself, and I find Chicago to be my fit for several reasons. What attracts me the most to the school is its rigorous classes, and super academic atmosphere; research is also great there. </p>
<p>The other choice that attracts me is Berkeley, but being a OOS I don’t think I have much chances. I will bring my SAT’s higher by October, maybe crack the 2000’s. I am almost jumping 300 points. I feel much more confident now.</p>
<p>Also I really want to get out of VA, so that is why I don’t want to apply to UVa and VT. </p>
<p>How are the financial aids of Chicago and Berkeley? </p>
<p>Does Berkeley have a EA/ED? I couldn’t find one.</p>
<p>Thank you again for all your care.</p>
<p>I like IBClass06’s way of thought, and I usually find myself disagreeing with him. It’s true that though the OP requested good science and engineering schools, these should also be schools that he can a) reasonably expect to get into and b) reasonably expect some financial aid and/or merit awards to actually GO to.</p>
<p>Automatically, that would cross of Illinois on my list, as I know that they are already not too financially generous with in-state students, and much less out-of-state students to do much for the OP. Secondly that would raise flags on the cases of Berkeley, Michigan, Texas, Wiscosin, etc. due to the nature of their primary purpose to serve and educate the students of their own states and therefore give an upper hand to them in financial aid.</p>
<p>Then, turning to Alexandre’s first list, it raises a question as to where some of these suggestions are even coming from. From Alexandre’s original input, the University of Chicago should be something the OP considers, even though he explicitly states that there are no engineering possibilities at U of Chicago. </p>
<p>Herein lies the mystery to some suggestions where schools that are not really even relateable to the type of school the OP wants are recommended or highly suggested–this problem exists in more threads than just this one. Oftentimes, that “suggested school” is U of Chicago or other similar caliber schools with no specific concentrations or possibilities in the major of interest.</p>
<p>With that said, here are some of my suggestions for reaches</p>
<p>Super High Reaches:
Stanford- great for just about anything.
Caltech- fantastic in science and engineering
MIT- same as above, if not better.
Princeton- strong in sciences, strong, but comparatively weaker in engineering.</p>
<p>High-Med Reaches
Cornell- strong in both science and engineering
Johns Hopkins- most similar to UChicago with strong sciences and pretty strong engineering
Columbia- strong sciences, pretty strong engineering, though it is much easier to gain acceptance into it.
Harvey Mudd- strong strong
Northwestern- pretty strong for both
Swarthmore- strong in both
Also, check out Middlebury, which has some pretty good dual-degree programs with Dartmouth, RPI, and/or Columbia University.</p>
<p>My suggestion would be to pick TWO Super High Reaches and 4 High-Med Reaches. Then, from some of the excellent match/safety suggestions given on this board, pick about 4 other schools.</p>
<p>Only afterward would I recommend picking 1-2 of the excellent public schools i.e. Berkeley, UMich, etc. </p>
<p>That way you have a rather solid, but lightened selection of colleges to apply to that will likely give you pretty good aid, should you qualify, and only 1-2 colleges where the aid might be wishy-washy.</p>
<p>good luck!</p>
<p>
did you see the USNWR rankings at all? it is ranked higher than HMC in general!</p>
<p>I am particularly interested in Neurobiology and the the way brain functions. I have to admit I know not much about it, but I am a fast and curious learner. I have seen that Chicago has the number one department in that field. </p>
<p>This is also very tempting–Berkeley!!? The school looks like a great science school, but I find it extremely big!! </p>
<p>I like the freshmen class not to exceed 1400 people and Berkeley is over 4300! </p>
<p>I will use Questbridge as well. I do not think I will get matched becasue the application is due on september 30th, and I haven’t by then upgraded my SAT scores. So I am looking forward to RD at Chicago–Im falling in love with this one :)-- and maybe Berkeley, but if they give a fat financial aid, which I doubt.</p>
<p>I have my safties here in VA. UVa is a good research school and most of my friends with much lower academic achievments and backgrounds much less stunning than mine get into it. UVa might be a great public school but the fact that getting into is so easy–for me at least–makes me think it as a not-very-good school. I konw I am being silly, but I want to get out of VA, anyways. </p>
<p>Chicago is also much nearer to my house, and to my family at VA. Except my self and my sister at Haverford, my parents are alone in this country–as far as relatives go. </p>
<p>But Berkeley is really tempting lol. Chicago is though my number 1. </p>
<p>Do you guys think I can get into it, if I am a QB finalist, and send them my application and their supplement and common application with SAT scores of 2000’s? I know my SAT scores do not represent me, but I am a very very very hard wokring student. Right now I am also preparing for SAT math as I’m writing this comment.lol no summer for me…lol
I don’t know if you have read my resume, but do you honestly think I got a shot at Chicago? I have to apply there RD because I’ll miss EA due to QB.</p>
<p>Thank you again.</p>
<p>blue purple:</p>
<p>You are either playing a prank or something because Uchicago has no undergraduate neuroscience program that I am aware of…
Yes, their financial aid is pretty good, but no…they would not be strong in what you are interested in AT ALL because neuro is not offered there for undergrad…nor is engineering…</p>
<p>For that, I would suggest Hopkins and Brown, though I’m not sure how strong Brown is with engineering and/or if it has any joint programs.</p>
<p>Hopkins, on the other hand, is top 2 easily for undergrad neuroscience offers and has a strong engineering school to boot.
The freshman class at hopkins rarely exceed 1300 ppl, much less 1400.</p>
<p>hope2getrice:</p>
<p>I found the mentioned info from another thread…I don’t know about its validity though:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/757109-what-chicago-known.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-chicago/757109-what-chicago-known.html</a></p>
<p>I had originally written an EXTREMELY long reply to your question, but will sum it up like this:</p>
<p>1) You asked that question on a UofChicago board. Of course, the school is great, but on any respective school’s board, you will hear nothing but great and often exaggerated things about it.</p>
<p>2) For graduate neuroscience: [Neuroscience</a> / Neurobiology - Biological Sciences - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-biological-sciences-programs/neurosciences]Neuroscience”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-biological-sciences-programs/neurosciences), Hopkins is ranked as #3 while Uchicago is nowhere in sight. In terms of Undergrad, Hopkins would be top 2-5 along with Brown. Hopkins only trails Harvard and Stanford for Neuroscience at the graduate level, meaning since those schools don’t offer a program in undergrad neuroscience (that I know of), Hopkins is likely the top program of its kind for neuroscience undergrad.</p>
<p>3) Hopkins fits all of your criteria, now that you mention Neuroscience and enjoying the model of rigor of Uchicago because:</p>
<p>a) hopkins was the original model research university in America off of which Uchicago itself is largely based.
b) Hopkins has one of the most intellectually stimulating and rigorous courseloads in the country, not unlike Uchicago.
c) It has more research opportunities for undergrads than Uchicago. Hopkins has been the #1 research university in terms of research dollars are 19 years now. Around $1.55-1.6 BILLION in ANNUAL federally funded research. I think that’s around 3 times the amount Chicago gets.
d) It is located NEAR VIRGINIA. AS IN You could drive there in 2 hours.
e) It actually HAS a top-reputable undergraduate neuroscience program
f) it actually HAS engineering and a good program at that
g) financial aid is very similar at both schools. BOTH are good. If your parents don’t make more than, say, 40-50k, I would say that admission to either school means you are going for free.
h) overall prestige is very similar, though Hopkins enjoys more name and brand recognition in the northeast.
i) they will both get you similar inroads at companies and schools across the country and world…but Hopkins actually fulfills all your requirements.</p>
<p>conclusion: apply Hopkins! :)</p>
<p>Hope2getrice…thank you. I am impressed by these stats. I think I actually have a higher chance at Hopkins than Chicago. Man college hunting is terrible!!! </p>
<p>Do you think I will definitly get a scholorship as a full ride at Hopkins? My parents make like around 50k. If not are they need blind. Thank you anyways, I will search into it.</p>
<p>Thank you again.</p>
<p>Hopkins has stated they do not base decisions on need. In essence, it is need blind, though they do not term it like that for whatever reason.
Also, their financial aid is very solid. Especially since you mention having another sibling in college, I would think the financial aid would be pretty generous, though I can’t make any guarantees as every situation is different (based on assets as well, etc, as will other schools like Hopkins, Chicago, Duke, etc).
For scholarships, there are a few, but, as with any school of this caliber, it’s best not to expect a merit-scholarship and be pleasantly surprised if/when you get one.</p>
<p>I think for now, your goal should be to at least get in, and then worry about paying it. It is truly a very affordable school if you qualify for financial aid, and a lot of people do.
still apply to Chicago if you would like, though I warn you there are no neuroscience majors.</p>
<p>Again, please refer to my list and the other lists provided by people and make sure to apply to Brown as well! :)</p>
<p>as for chances:</p>
<p>both will be similar. I find admission to either Chicago or Hopkins to be very holistic and not terribly score based. There will be a LOT of emphasis on your personal essay and recommendations, so be sure to be strong for those both.</p>
<p>Ok but don’t you think Brown is a high super reach for me? Oh my essays will be great; I have written two already and they’re very good. Other people have read them and they like them alot!! lol</p>
<p>hahahah actually Johns Hopkins was one of my top choices around 2 months ago. I just thought students were haughty but they’re everywhere anyways…</p>
<p>What is the difference between the acceptance rate of ED vs RD for Hopkins? </p>
<p>I can bring my CR to 620 easily-I have memorized like 600 words since summer started-and writing should be around 650+; my math is already in range but I could crack 700 easily. </p>
<p>Hopkins is not a QB partner so if the university is generous enough I might as well just screw with QB and hit Hopkins. by the way my sister, a year older with the same stats except a SAT of 1860 got full ride to Haverford using QB. </p>
<p>It seems Hopkins is for me, so I’ll go ED–still I am open for suggestions. lol</p>
<p>I am soooooo capricious i know–SAT vocab hahha</p>
<p>yes, brown is a high reach, but Chicago and Hopkins are similar reaches.
I am currently a Hopkins student, so I’m not sure what you mean about haughty. lol. i can get that way on this website, but I think the majority of Hopkins students, along with myself, are very cooperative and willing to help out and and generally very well-meaning and friendly. </p>
<p>As far as ED vs RD, there is no big difference in quality of student, it’s just that Hopkins wants to enroll a certain percentage ED every year so that number can change depending on number of applicants.
As for Hopkins’ SAT figures, don’t let the numbers fool you. it is dragged down somewhat by the 300 or so Peabody applicants that are admitted to Hopkins per year and are, as a result, in Hopkins’ overall stats. For Peabody, students are MUCH less judged by scores (I think a 3.0 is sufficient to be admitted) and much more judged by auditions.
In terms of doing ED, I would generally advise against it as you seem to be not so sure of what school is perfect for yourself.
Also, as you will be applying for fin aid, I think it’s best to wait for all the numbers and admissions to come back before deciding on the personal financial and personal fit.</p>
<p>Sorry if the question is silly but what is a Peabody?</p>
<p>It is their music school.</p>
<p>hope2getrice…[Neuroscience</a> / Neurobiology - Biological Sciences - Graduate Schools - Education - US News and World Report](<a href=“http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-biological-sciences-programs/neurosciences]Neuroscience”>http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-biological-sciences-programs/neurosciences) is this for graduate or undergraduate years?</p>
<p>^^ That’s graduate, but graduate is usually a pretty solid indicator of Undergraduate strength, especially considering the fact that Graduate professors also teach undergrad at Hopkins.</p>
<p>I’m willing to say Hopkins is one of the top if not THE top program(s) in Neuroscience for undergraduates.</p>
<p>^^ and ^, that’s where the future PhD comes in, and Hopkins is indeed one of the top (the big schools actually make a pretty good showing):</p>
<p>Percent of PhDs per grad
Academic field: Bio and Health Sciences</p>
<p>PhDs and Doctoral Degrees:
ten years (1994 to 2003) from NSF database</p>
<p>Number of Undergraduates:
ten years (1989 to 1998) from IPEDS database</p>
<p>Note: Does not include colleges with less than 1000 graduates over the ten year period </p>
<p>1 California Institute of Technology 5.4%
2 Reed College 4.8%
3 Swarthmore College 4.4%
4 University of Chicago 3.3%
5 Massachusetts Institute of Technology 3.1%
6 University of California-San Francisco 3.1%
7 Harvard University 3.0%
8 Kalamazoo College 3.0%
9 Harvey Mudd College 2.9%
10 Earlham College 2.8%
11 Johns Hopkins University 2.7% <-----------
12 Princeton University 2.6%
13 Haverford College 2.6%
14 Mount Holyoke College 2.6%
15 Yale University 2.5%
16 Rice University 2.5%
17 Lawrence University 2.5%
18 Carleton College 2.5%
19 Stanford University 2.5%
20 Oberlin College 2.4%
21 Cornell University, All Campuses 2.4%
22 Grinnell College 2.3%
23 Hendrix College 2.3%
24 Bryn Mawr College 2.1%
25 Bowdoin College 2.1%
26 Wellesley College 2.1%
27 Amherst College 2.1%</p>
<p>To be honest, my number 1 graduate university was Hopkins! What are the chances I can go back for graduate? How about going to MIT? How hard are classes? I appriciate the learning expereince, but want to konw. Also how snotty are people–I head terrible things abut Duke. What are the chances I can get published?</p>