<p>Yes, it is true that i do not know the exact school or branch or w.e where they were admitted. However, saying "LOL, you don't know anything" isn't going to change the fact that two kids with a 70-75 average (no higher) and an SAT in the 1200/1600 got into Penn State from my school (I live in NY, so OOS stats should be taken into account). At the same time, many kids with 90+ average from my school got deferred from Bing. Does that mean that Penn State sucks? No, not at all. I was just staing the facts. I do not go to Bing or Penn State, so I don't think that I am biased.
Just because you, toneranger, don't agree with the facts, doesn't seem they are wrong.</p>
<p>My schools stats with Penn State:</p>
<p>Average SAT's of applicants from my high school applying to PSU: 1317/1934
Average ACT: 32</p>
<p>Year Applied Admitted Enrolled
2008 17 15 1
2007 21 19 4
2006 18 16 1</p>
<p>As you can see, it is incredibly easy for anyone at my school to make PSU, which shows that it isn't as good a school as Binghamton ;)</p>
<p>And nobody should listen to banana because she's just one of those rah rah rah types that lists only the good aspects of her school. Biased as hell!</p>
<p>?? I totally hate my high school, but whatever guys. If you're referring to Binghamton as my school and saying that I'm "biased as hell", I don't attend Binghamton, I don't know if I will be attending Binghamton (I'd like to say that it's unlikely that I will, but who knows?), and that's just a completely and utterly false accusation.</p>
<p>I just posted that (directly from my school's naviance page, nonetheless) to add some perspective.
I used anecdotal to avoid the ad hominem attacks that I got, and to highlight that FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not speaking for the entire population, but FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, it doesn't take all that much to get into Penn State from my high school. Maybe that's just on Long Island, I DON'T KNOW. I also made a point to say that I'm sure that there are exceptionally smart kids that attend, that I just happen to know some not very intelligent people that go to Penn State. I'm sorry if that wasn't an artful thing to say.
And yes, those numbers are for University Park, not a branch campus.</p>
<p>So, I apologize for posting numbers. I won't make that silly mistake ever again, but to call me biased is ridiculous.</p>
<p>Bananafish</p>
<p>-I also made a point to say that I'm sure that there are exceptionally smart kids that attend,</p>
<p>Yes, and this gives you the excuse to insult students at a school by referring to them as "outright dumb", that is ranked as both a top fifty university and as a top fifteen public (should be noted that Binghamton falls in neither of these categories)? </p>
<p>Getsis22, if those two students had a C average, they would not have gotten into Penn State- UP, Im not even sure how they would have been accepted into any of the branch campuses. You said you werent sure what branch they got into, which somewhat disqualifies you from posting that information because the branch campuses have EXTREMELY different admission standards. But again, with grades that low I doubt they would have even gotten into the branch campuses. If it is true, then your school is a very rare case.</p>
<p>Both of you, if you do not attend either school, you may not be in the best position to comment on this particular forum.</p>
<p>if you would all realize that you are comparing apples and oranges, you would be much better off.....it's like comparing a mountain to a molehill; </p>
<p>for prospective students: these two schools should NOT be in the same thread....visit and come back to post...
Binghamton feels like a large private, except for class size in intro classes...it has a small school feel and may not be right for those who do not want that...zero school spirit (unless something has changed over 30 yrs), very limited greek, and although I had a great experience, I can definitely see why someone would want "complete" college life.</p>
<p>The kids I know at PSU have told me that it is huge.....different strokes...some like that</p>
<p>Statistically, one must be very careful to compare anything on Naviance....I know for a fact that Penn State branch campuses are lumped together with University Park. and you have no idea about rigor.....</p>
<p>That being said, I think the reason there is so much conflict on this site is the following: there are infinitely fewer spots for the sheer number of very, very accomplished kids from NY at Binghamton; this varies from decade to decade...it will definitely skew the stats....</p>
<p>Penn State, on the other hand, has nationally acclaimed programs, great sports, great greek AND MORE OPEN SPOTS!!.....the real stat comparison, maybe, should be Shreyer's HC and Binghamton, but you are still comparing very diff places.......
check out incoming class size.....you will see what I mean</p>
<p>I know our schools Naviance (also Long Island district) does not differentiate the Penn satellite campus's from Main UP campus, so the numbers are VERY deceiving. The kids that get into Bing do tend to have higher SATs overall in our district, but not much.</p>
<p>My deepest apologies bananafish i used the wrong name, I meant to say AdvicePlease was the rah rah rah biased as hell person lol.</p>
<p>People shouldn't put too much weight into the U.S. News Rankings because Rutgers also has an insanely good rank (i tyhink top 50's) but im unsure. And it can't compare to Bing or many other schools that don't have such a high rank.</p>
<p>Two very different schools, and two very different experiences. Bing is harder to make and most likely will surpass PSU in the years to come. But i concede that PSU is a decent school.</p>
<p>Let's stop the hate here lol.</p>
<p>Rodney,</p>
<p>"if you would all realize that you are comparing apples and oranges, you would be much better off"</p>
<p>Is that why they are on the same list for rankings on USNews? They are only apples to oranges in size, but both of them being universities can be compared for the resources they offer and their academics.</p>
<p>"the real stat comparison, maybe, should be Shreyer's HC and Binghamton, but you are still comparing very diff places"</p>
<p>The admission standards for the regular area of the two college are almost identical, which you can see on my previous post. I don't think comparing Schreyer to Binghamton would be helpful, as Schreyer's numbers are significantly higher.</p>
<p>I do think that both are very good schools, as I have said in previous posts, but I have been surprised not only by how many people from NY are coming on here and don't just believe Binghamton to be better, but how there are people posting on here that really believe that Penn State University Park's students are C- students in high school and are "outright dumb". This is simply not true, and I am not sure how you expect anyone associated with Penn State University Park to not be insulted. Penn State University Park outranks Binghamton for a reason. It's not a conspiracy against Binghamton. The experts believe the academic experience of Penn State University Park to be better. </p>
<p>While I agree that the applicant pools are different, with Penn State University Park having received 15,000 more, the size of an applicant pool has no impact on the academics of an institution, so I do not find that relevant.</p>
<p>Bdmet2491,</p>
<p>As usual, you bring nothing incredibly relevant to the discussion.</p>
<p>“People shouldn't put too much weight into the U.S. News Rankings because Rutgers also has an insanely good rank (i tyhink top 50's) but im unsure.”</p>
<p>Well, I guess it is good to see that your insults do not solely focus on Penn State University Park. Rutgers is a good school, and is another school that outranks Binghamton. What should we put weight on, your opinion?</p>
<p>“But i concede that PSU is a decent school.”</p>
<p>It’s a little late for that, after all of your insults of Penn State University Park and its students. Anyway, Penn State University Park will continue to be a great school with or without your better opinion.</p>
<p>"Just because you, toneranger, don't agree with the facts, doesn't seem they are wrong"
We are talking Penn State main campus here. I repeat...70 avg - LOL. Either someone gave you the wrong info or you know someone who squeaked into one of the branch campuses for some reason.
I went to a SUNY. I think SUNY schools are fine...and a bargain. PSU has a very different feel. Perhaps, down the road, the NY state government will declare Bing to be the state flagship, increase the size and bring in decent sports teams. For now, the social environments are very different.
The Schreyer Honors College is a whole different deal. Admissions are more comparable to Cornell or Johns Hopkins.</p>
<p>Ill throw this out there Me and my best friend in high school applied to both Penn State Business school and Binghamton Business school. We are both white males and both are upper class families. I got into both Binghamton and Penn state business school while my friend did not get into binghamton at all but did get into penn states business school. We are both from New York so there was no bias. That alone proves it is easier to get into penn state. And binghamtons business school is number 40 in the nation up from 74 last year so its vastly improving and competition at bing is getting insanely difficult</p>
<p>I liked Binghamton better than any private institution i got into. And went against my parents will by going to a public suny school</p>
<p>So is this thread about which has the higher statistics to get accepted or which has the better school? Well yes the "average" statistics to get into Binghamton are higher at the current point in time....is this the point of this discussion. You could just look up the latest statistics and answer your question. I thought the discussion was a more meaningful question about which would be the "better" school to attend. This is a much more complicated question. I'm more acquainted with Penn State and I know that it is a world known research university that has a law school, a medical school, a superb reputation in science and engineering. Regarding English literature, performing arts, education, etc., etc. I just don't know. If any of you are seriously considering either school you should visit both and especially visit the "college" that you are considering.</p>
<p>Binghamton has a fine price tag for both in-state and out-of-state! My older daughter visited upstate New York during a few cold rainy days in October 2006 and vowed not to even apply to any schools in upstate New York. I made her apply to RIT and she received a great merit scholarship but settled on Penn State. She is an IST major and couldn't ask for a finer education. My younger daughter (currently a high school senior) wouldn't apply to Penn State because she wanted to go somewhere different and I respect her decision. Most of her extended family are Penn State alum (I wrote in an earlier post that we bleed "blue and white" -- AND yes WE ARE PENN STATE!) She's been accepted at Binghamton and we're planning to visit as I think it may very well be a great match for my younger daughter. </p>
<p>My daughter is immersed in the college selection process and she's having a very, very difficult time trying to determine where to attend. We still need to hear from 2 schools...but, please, both Penn State and Binghamton are very fine schools. If you have been accepted to both you need to visit and make your own decision. The "stats" of a school vary by college within the university system. The research and internship opportunities vary. On this subject I can tell you that my older daughter had her choice of several funded research projects.......even after her freshman year she spent the summer at State College working with a PhD on a NSF (National Science Foundation) research project.</p>
<p>Choosing your university is a hard decision.....if you are lucky enough to have the option of these two fine universities you should seriously compare everything....and, for your parent's sake....don't forget about the costs!</p>
<p>The only reason bing is recognized is because of it low acceptance rate. The reason why is because its the least expensive of any nys school that is decent. NYS doesn't offer it's residence any good schools. Did you ever hear of a school that make it easier for OOS than IS? If Bing raised their OS prices, NO ONE would attend from OOS!</p>
<p>Bing is loaded with smart kids who aren't chanllenged, are smothered because they accept too many for the size of its campus, terrible teachers who are also underpaid for thier work, and a horrible administration.</p>
<p>Penn State is better. Kip rates bing #1 because of price. If it were as expensive as penn state, it wouldn't be #1. And Kip, you get what you pay for! Think VALUE!</p>
<p>Btw, in 2007, under "Top 50 Public..." penn state up was rated #13 and bing was rated #38 as per US News, which sets the standards for ratings.</p>
<p>Penn is Much Better!</p>
<p>Currently I am a high school senior, and i applied and was accepted to both Binghamton University and Penn State, University Park. </p>
<p>For me, coming from New Jersey, and not having a prior opinion about either school, I am more likely to go to Penn State. I realize that Bing has higher admissions standards, but i still feel that Penn State will offer many more opportunities to learn and succeed, and along with its' massive alumni network, will also give me more opportunities in the future. Also, I thought PSU's campus is much nicer, and the feel of Happy Valley is just amazing. For me, it was really the intangibles that put Penn State above Binghamton.</p>
<p>That being said, I think they are both great schools, and that even though PSU is better for me, Binghamton could easily be a better fit for someone else. It is all a matter of preference.</p>
<p>Binghamton wins. The $15000 difference in cost (NYS resident) was deciding factor.
I know I have to give up some football games but oh well. Money talks.</p>
<p>Well Binghamton is on the rise and there is no doubt about that. They plan on adding a law school to it, which is going to bring more and more money and with that comes everything else. I have visited both campuses, and know people who have went/go to both, and it seems that they are both great. Penn State seems to be for more of a partier/jock, but bing does have a great nightlife. </p>
<p>You cant compare both as a whole…Penn state probably has a better science department, but im pretty sure Bing has a great business program. It really depends on what you plan on majoring in. </p>
<p>How do you judge which university of more respected?? Well I read one statistic that shows Binghamton’s graduates have one of the highest starting salaries in the northeast, ahead of NYU, and others. This proves to me that people around the U.S. see binghamton, and know that these students are well qualified. </p>
<p>Either way your going to be satisfied.</p>
<p>Binghamton’s graduates have one of the highest starting salaries</p>
<p>Is that only for its business majors or for the school overall?</p>
<p>Okay. I’m from New Jersey, so I’m definately not biased. lol</p>
<p>I visited Binghamton and Penn State recently and putting a comparison between the two is difficult; they are both VERY DIFFERENT schools. It all comes down to preference. If you like a huge (as well as pretty) campus, tons of school spirit, the party life, the name recognition, then Penn State is for you. Binghamton is a bit quieter and the campus may need some work, but the surrounding area and Bing’s nature preserve are gorgeous. </p>
<p>Academically, however, the two are solid schools. Penn State has always been strong in academics, but I can definately see Bing rising in the ranks. I’d say give Bing about a few years-- it’s still a young school, only 63 years old. Also, if price is an issue, Bing’s definately worth it, especially if you’re an OOS. Go to Penn State if you can afford it.</p>
<p>Like I said it’s all about preference. I may end up at Bing since it’s within my budget and I love the snow. :]</p>
<p>I’m a SUNY grad and my school also has one of the highest starting salaries for grads and for those who have been in the workforce for 10 years. Why? Cause lots of folks are from NYC and the surrounding areas and go back there to work (just like Bing). In the past, when financial services was thriving, these jobs paid very health salaries (and bonuses I might add). This trend may reverse a bit, although NYC jobs will always pay at a higher rate due to the cost of living - housing costs are through the roof. </p>
<p>I agree with elaniemay - These are very different schools. go where the best value is and where you feel the best fit.</p>
<p>Jec, honestly you do sound smart but you come off as a total arrogant jerk, I say that that in the nicest way possible :)</p>
<p>I believe Penn State is a great school but its more known for partying and just crazy s***.
Ask anyone what the first thing they think of when asked about Penn State, their crazy parties. It is def a really great school, but it is just not taken that seriously among my peers.</p>