<p>Alright. I know I'm probably talking to an incredibly small group of people here, but I'm just going to throw this out there. Has anybody taken both/either BIPN 102 and/or 148 ? I'm a General Bio major looking to teach high school biology and have been trying to figure out the last bio class that I want to take. I'm stuck between BIPN 102 and 148. Any feedback on those classes would be great.</p>
<p>My other question is, I see that BIPN 102 says that BIBC 102 can be taken concurrently with it. For those who have taken BIPN 102, would you advise against taking BIPN 102 concurrently with BIBC 102 or would taking them concurrently be fine? Thanks.</p>
<p>I should also say that this is officially my 4th thread created on CC. Yay!!! :)</p>
<p>Take BIPN 102 with me, ha ha. </p>
<p>102 seems like something more relevant for the teachings in high school biology, no?</p>
<p>And for your 2nd question, I would not ever advise Mamphys with Metabolic biochemistry. To get A’s in both, you’re going to be memorizing alot. If you think you can do it, go for it.</p>
<p>Oh you’ll be taking it this quarter!!! Cool cool. As far as it being more relevant for high school biology, yeah it probably is but BIPN 148 sounded like a REALLY interesting class. But maybe I wouldn’t like it. Who knows. That’s why I’m asking.</p>
<p>I made the list of biology classes I wanted to take by looking at the California State Science Standards for high school students and comparing them to the classes offered. I have gone through the standards multiple times and the classes I decided on are BICD 110, BIEB 102 and 150, BIMM 100, and BIPN 100, 102/148, 106. That’s just for reference. The labs I’m still trying to figure out.</p>
<p>As far as it being too hard… college is hard. Ha ha. I mean, I’ve taken 21 units the past two quarters (5 classes and a lab) and both of those quarters had ochem in them. GPA wise, two of my best quarters. My GPA has really been skewed strangely though by my study habits so that doesn’t mean that much. Plus I’ll be an RA this year!!! Yeah I know, I won’t have a life.</p>
<p>Here’s what I’m looking at for this quarter.</p>
<p>PHIL 27 (Warren requirement)
HISC 111 - The Atomic Bomb and The Atomic Age (for a GE)
PSYC 104 - Intro to Social Psychology (for my minor)
CHEM 7L (Bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh)</p>
<p>What I might do is switch PSYC 104 and CHEM 7L for BIPN 102 and BIBC 102 or some other combination of these 4 classes. As you can see, either way it’s going to be tough. At this point I just want to figure out the biology class that I really want to take. It’s not like it’ll be life changing either way, but I don’t want to take a class that I didn’t really want to take and then miss out on another one. You know what I mean. Since I have two minors I just really have meticulously planned everything out so I can get every class I need and want but I’m just trying to figure out which bio class I want so I can see if any changes needed to be made to this quarter’s schedule to be as flexible in the future as possible. Ok, I’ll stop bugging you now. :)</p>
<p>Yup!! I’ll be taking that along with only 8 other units. I think the difficulty of schedules varies from student to student. There is no right or wrong way to go through it. I personally like only doing 12-16 units at MAX because I am better at focusing on getting A’s in a few classes as opposed to a bunch because I feel I need a well rounded lifestyle to succeed. Too much of one thing for me sort of makes me crash and burn. </p>
<p>You obviously have a stricter regime to follow so you should go by what gets you to graduate when you want to. But, if you had flexibility, you should go for what can maximize your success. The reason I opposed both of those classes together is because, personally, it took me a ****load of time to memorize everything in metabolic biochemistry. It’s material is basically memorizing all the pathways, enzymes, molecular structures, and then applying all the pathways to problem solving, so it will definitely take up more time than, say a physics class thats just concepts and problem solving. Mamphys 2 may not be as bad for you if you didn’t think mamphys 1 was that much of a time killer. I think you can definitely do that schedule. Don’t however, go with chem7L on top of both the 102’s cuz those 3 classes together is already a quarter-long sentence to Geisel everyday without break. </p>
<p>Congrats on the RA Biz, and no posts bug me unless they are irrational attacks at people haha.</p>
<p>^Yeah. There’s no way in hell I was going to take BIBC 102 and CHEM 7L together. Both of those classes sound painfully unpleasant. The thing with the 21 units is that both quarters I had a class that didn’t require much studying (not that I did that much studying overall either). I had PSYC 1 in the winter and MUS 111 in the fall. I got an A in PSYC 1 and an A+ in MUS 111 and they were just really easy classes. Anyway though, I really do plan on studying an appropriate amount for the rest of my college years so I’m putting those last two years behind me.</p>
<p>How much of CHEM 140B is used in BIBC 102 and how would you compare the difficulties of those classes?</p>
<p>I just had an epiphany. I am going to take BIPN 102 after all. I’m leaning towards taking it this quarter but I’m going to think about it. It may depend on if somebody comes in here and advises against me taking it concurrently with BIBC 102. I’ll keep you posted though OoPurestOo.</p>
<p>To be honest, if you are a master at Ochem, you can think about why alot of the reactions in BIBC 102 happen. In other words, your knowledge of ochem is useful, but not essentially required. If anything, CHEM140C will help you more, because you learn more biochemical related reactions in that class than in CHEM140B, not to mention that both CHEM140C and BIBC102 make you memorize everything about the 21 amino acids, which helped. I took both of those classes together and the 21 amino acids were the first of many things to memorize in BIBC, while they were the last things to memorize in CHEM, so it fit pretty nicely. </p>
<p>BIPN 148 is the learning basis one correct? Isn’t the Leutgeb couple teaching that? I don’t exactly know how they are, but I know Fortes for 102 just stands up and lectures and I heard it’s useful to get AS notes for his class. Honestly, I can try really hard to convince you not to take BIBC/BIPN together but it’s honestly just still up to you. Honestly I thought BIPN 100 was more memorization but the material concepts were alot easier than that of BIBC 102.</p>
<p>^I don’t have to take CHEM 140C so that isn’t going to help. Ha ha. And let’s just say I didn’t learn a whole lot from ochem. It’s my fault but it is what it is at this point.</p>
<p>As far as taking them together, it’s just because I think it’s what’s best for my schedule. Every quarter is going to be difficult. I’ll be taking 18 units a quarter next year. If I don’t take BIPN 102 this quarter my next quarter might be something like BIPN 102, BICD 100, BIEB 150, CHEM 7L. That certainly isn’t going to be easy. I was just concerned if BIBC 102 would be recommended to be taken before BIPN 102 even though it says they can be taken concurrently. I know you’re looking out for me but there are a lot of tough decisions I need to make with my schedule. This is what I get for double minoring though. :)</p>
<p>I personally didn’t learn much from ochem either. I memorized everything and was done with it. However, there are some concepts that still explain things like reduction of carbonyls etc in alot of the reactions in BIBC 102. Im not sure if that was in 140B though… I think it was chapter 17/18… it’s been a while since I’ve touched that book so I dont remember the chapter exactly. Especially when you get to TCA Cycle, you can either memorize every detail or you can sort of see the next molecule’s structure based on the carbonyl reduction or reactions involving glycerol and lipid biosynthesis etc etc etc. So i guess if ANYTHING haha, just go over some reactions in ch 17/18? But I thought the Principles of Biochemistry book did a pretty good job explaining it so it may just be unnecessary. </p>
<p>Yeah, actually if thats the case, then just stick with BIPN/BIBC haha. Honestly, not much from BIBC will be needed for BIPN. BIBC is the biochemistry in the mitochondria and cell, while BIPN is a larger scale physiology obviously so you dont have to worry about that.</p>
<p>Alright. This is the reason I never say things I set in stone as far as my schedule goes. Funny story. I just reactivated my Facebook account after a 2 month break and while I was going through and deleting a large number of “friends”, I noticed that it said a girl from my high school was transferring to UCSD. Now I know you’re probably thinking “Ok? So…”, but for the past two years I have been the only person at UCSD from my high school, except for some grad student I randomly bumped into freshman year who I obviously didn’t know. But this year, not only is there one guy from my graduating class transferring here which I already thought was awesome, now I found this girl! To make a long story short, I talked to her and found out she will be taking PSYC 104 and she really really wants me to be in the class with her. So it looks like I’ll be taking PSYC 104. Ha ha. Whenever I think I’ve figured my schedule out unpredictable things always happen.</p>
<p>I think I’ll also be taking BIBC 102 this quarter too. If you think the book did a good job of explaining everything then that’s great. I’ll definitely be reading the book.</p>
<p>Haha you make me sound so cynical!!</p>
<p>Yes, take it with the girl. You never know what may happen ;). People need to learn that some things are worth sacrificing for even if they wont enhance your resume, you know? haha.</p>
<p>^Oh no no no. By the “Ok? So…” comment I meant that a lot of people have multiple people from their high school here and wouldn’t think it was anything for some random girl to come here but I’m the only one here so it’s a bigger deal for me. That’s all I meant but I wrote it poorly.</p>
<p>$KingElite$,</p>
<p>Which prof. did you have for PSYC 1, MUS 15, and MUS 111?</p>
<p>PSYC 1 - Stuart Anstis
MUS 15 (The Beatles) - Justin DeHart
MUS 15 (Hip-hop) - Anthony Burr
MUS 111 (Traditional Music of Ireland) - Ben Power</p>
<p>I would highly recommend all of them, ESPECIALLY Anstis. He is easily one of my favorite professors.</p>