Boston College or Michigan State Honors College/Lyman Briggs

<p>I need serious help. It would be greatly appreciated by anyone - students, graduates of either, etc. I am absolutely torn between these two good schools, and am struggling heavily to make my decision by May 1st, next Friday. It is not as no-brainer as it may seem. I love them both, but I want to make the decision that's right for me. Keep in mind, distance and cost in not an issue at all, as with financial aid, they virtually come out to equal. Distance is all relative to me, as I myself can make the place feel close or far depending on my personal approach.</p>

<p>First, Boston College:</p>

<p>Personal Positives:
Boston College is an absolutely phenomenal school, very prestigious, with great resources and spirituality. I would be extremely prepared for Med school going pre-med. My older brother is currently a sophomore there, loves it, and is studying in Spain next year. I love the city of Boston, which would be great to have in a college experience, in addition to the campus at Chestnut Hill which I felt quite comfortable in, easily knowing my way around. It is relatively small, awesome setting, with a very close-knit communtiy feel, particularly with all of the students - under and upperclassmen, and all of the classes are in a very small radius of one another. The people there are extremely friendly, and they have division 1 varsity athletics, pretty good teams at that, something quite important to me in the college experience. I come from a Jesuit Catholic high school, and continuing that tradition of service, Men for Others, and strengthening my faith, is also very important to me.</p>

<p>Negatives:
It is 13 hours away from Michigan, so I could only come home 4-5 times a year, and I would be the only student from my school attending. I want to expand my comfort zone in college, and meet tons of new people and friends, as I know I would, but I just think it would be difficult for me to go that far away with absolutely no one, and if I am struggling, or really need something, don't have anyone very close whom I can immediately trust or talk to. I will be giving up some of the close friendships I've formed and could continue at MSU. But I know that everyone is in the same boat. When I visited, I didn't exactly see the Jesuit/Catholic identity in the school/students that I was really looking for. There is hardly any diversity, economic or ethnic for that matter, contrary to my high school and something I want in meeting new people, and it seemed like just a place for preppy, rich, white kids. I know it is there, but I would just have to find it and seek that out on my own. I am not a huge partier, and also saw much of the party seen while there, and with it being small and close-knit, seemed that it is pretty active on weekends, as it will be everywhere. Everyone there is extremely fit, not an issue for me - a positive, but seemed like pressure to live up to a standard by some. I will be in a pre-med track, and I know theirs is pretty difficult, yet extremely resourceful if you stick with it. I am an artist, and want to continue that in college, not as a carrer, and would not be able to take many art classes until soph/junior years. But I know I could still do this on my own as well. I am not the greatest at putting myself out there and meeting new people, but love to do so.</p>

<p>Now Michigan State University Honors College/Lyman Briggs</p>

<p>Positives:
I love Michigan State, and always have, as my dad graduated there in '79. As big as it is, it feels like home, as I have been going there for games and visits my whole life. I know my way around the campus. I would be among the few in the Honors College there, in addition to Lyman Briggs College for science majors/pre-medical. First of all, Michigan State would not even be considered as an option for me if I was not in Lyman Briggs or the Honors College. This makes the school much smaller and more intimate for me. Being in Lyman Briggs, I would build strong relationships with my classmates - all having the same classes, and especially faculty, as their offices and classrooms/labs are in the basement of the dorm that all science majors live in, nice to have with communication, and help. At the same time, I would have few classes outside of here that would allow me to expand, take advantage of the larger school, and meet other people outside my dorm, something I am not limited to. It is nice to have people I know, in classes, halls, etc, with very few (a good thing) close friends in Lyman Briggs. It would be nice to have people whom I can talk to immediately who will listen and be there for support and help. Being in the Honors College gives me ultimate flexibility and resources for med school, with class selection above seniors, and particularly being a public school for research. I could take art classes right away, and use my passion freely as an outlet for stress and enjoyment. It would be nice to come home now and again if I need anything, but not that big of a deal in my decision. The athletics are also great, something I would enjoy and take great advantage of. Ethnic and economic diversity among students is abundant.</p>

<p>Negatives:
The school often gets a bad rap, and is not nearly as prestigious or well known as Boston College. Being a large public school, the party scene is even more evident and hard core, and the spirituality is not there. There is a Catholic church nearby and student organizations I can seek out to pursure my faith on my own. Having so many people that I know there can be a negative as a postive too. I do not want to limit myself to any group, or form one group/click, and I, after high school, feel the need to start fresh a bit, broaden and diversify my horizons, and step out of my comfort zone. With 40,000 students and living in a smaller community, it is possible if I put myself out there just seek it out on my own. Being so close could also serve as a negative, I don't want to be held back by anything. The closeness among students, friendliness, and community feel is not there nearly as much as BC, being a Jesuit school. Competition could be more in the small Lyman Briggs/Honors setting.</p>

<p>Here is how I look at it. Doing pre-med and hopefully going on to medical school somewhere, my undergrad/school name doesn't matter that much. If I focus and work hard wherever I go, do my best, get my degree, I can study for the mcat wherever and whenever. I am not looking for a job immediately after college. However, I want to prepared for one, and enjoy my undergrad experience as fully as possible, so I can personally grow, become a better person, and expand my knowledge and horizons, being influenced by the people I meet and encounter on a daily basis. I want to do what is right for me, and I just don't know what that is yet. Each has pretty much everything I am looking for academically. I guess I can't go wrong either way, but some people think otherwise...</p>

<p>Thank you so much for the help and comments.</p>

<p>It is greatly appreciated.</p>

<p>The party scene at MSU can be as hard core or as mellow as you want it to be. I have PLENTY of friends up there that do not drink or party and are very devout Christians who are involved with various religious things up there (I am not Christian so I couldn’t tell you what they are). They LOVE the school and realized that many of their hesitations about the school (similar to yours) were simply false. </p>

<p>Personally, I believe that if those are the only things holding you back, you should go to MSU. It is not crazy competitive and especially the Residential Colleges are supportive and smaller. </p>

<p>Good luck with whatever you choose :).</p>

<p>A note on Briggs: Only intro level chem, bio, calc, and physics (i think) are through Briggs. All other science classes are outside of Briggs. If you take advantage of the opportunities the Honors College has to offer, you can make your time at MSU that much more rewarding. As for competitiveness, I’ve sensed none of that myself, nor have I gotten the idea that it’s that way in Briggs. People work in packs to get things done, and most people are willing to help with anything and everything. </p>

<p>If you plan to get volunteering in at a hospital, or some other position (not really sure how all that goes for pre-meds) I’m guessing the Boston area has a lot more options and opportunities. That might not be true since there are that many more schools there too, but perhaps something else to consider. </p>

<p>Other than that, I think you’ve got it nailed. Ultimately you’ve just to go with your gut.</p>

<p>Thank you for your responses and feedback so far. It really helps coming from people with similar experience in either school, or just the general difficult thinking process I am going through. </p>

<p>Sorry its so long. I just had to explain fully how I felt about each one. It actually helped me to write it all out. Any help is again greatly appreciated.</p>

<p>Trust me, if you decide to go to MSU you will not have a problem “starting fresh.” If you want to, I know plenty of students here that distance themselves completely from many (if not all) of their high school friends. The campus is so huge that even if you want to change it up, you can join a new club, introduce yourself to 10 new people, and voila, different scene. </p>

<p>As far as Christian groups, there is the primary one “Campus crusades for christ.” It is quite large and they do all sorts of activities and mission trips. I am not a member nor am I religious but from what I hear from my Christian friends, being active in such groups is a great way of keeping in touch with your spirituality. If you don’t like parties (or only prefer to attend them on a infrequent basis), you are not alone at all. There are an abundance of students who choose not to party but participate in all sorts of activities as an alternative. Especially in lyman briggs/living in holmes, the atmosphere is a bit more studious than in other dorms. But if you do choose to do so, lyman briggs is in no way limiting you to either “no partying” or “wild-crazy partying.” The majority of students choose a balance between both. </p>

<p>Good luck with your decision!</p>

<p>Warning to you, Lyman Briggs feels like High-School and you RARELY get to leave. Notably it’s in Holmes hall and the food is horrible.</p>

<p>I would not recommend it, if you want the true college feel. It seems great, but it’s really not. Besides, nearly nobody outside of MSU knows what the **** lymann briggs is.</p>

<p>In my opinion, you’re going to get a much better Education in Natural Science than in Lyman Briggs, and you’ll meet more people. </p>

<p>Lyman Briggs your chem class will be about 100-120, normal chem is about 500. Chem recitation in both is about 30. There is not much difference and both are taught by T.A.'s.</p>

<p>I did both. </p>

<p>Lyman Briggs expects you to know most of the material already, while Natural Science coaches you through.</p>

<p>Your choice not mine. I can only advise you.</p>

<p>P.S., there are tons of Christian Organizations at MSU. IF you really need one, send me a P.M., and I’ll point you in the right direction. Mind you MSU is very Liberal, and if you’re Conservative like myself, it can get on your nerves sometimes.</p>

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<p>Oh, most of my friends ended up leaving lyman briggs… the first semester and the rest second semester. Worst run program ever.</p>

<p>Plus, they try and make it a ***** to get out and threaten you to stay. Each one of them will vogue for that.</p>

<p>Natural Science is MUCH MUCH MUCH better.</p>

<p>If you take chem get ready for owls, and take it with Paul Hunter or Polak.</p>

<p>I really want to know how hard lymann briggs is? Can someone please respond to this!!</p>

<p>Since you like BC for its Jesuit philosophy and mission why are you not looking at other top Jesuit colleges like Georgetown (DC area) and Holy Cross (Boston metro) as well. There are 28 Jesuit colleges in the USA. Complete list here: [Jesuit</a> Colleges and Universities Quiz Results - sporcle](<a href=“http://www.sporcle.com/games/jesuit_colleges_results.php]Jesuit”>http://www.sporcle.com/games/jesuit_colleges_results.php)</p>